What would you do if you had to start over in a new country, far from everything familiar?

Amy Dott Harmer has spent a decade answering that question—not for herself, but for thousands of refugees in Utah. As Executive Director of Utah Refugee Connection, Amy shares what it's like to truly show up for people who have lost everything, and how dancing awkwardly in a circle of refugee women taught her one of her most important lessons about empathy, connection, and courage.

In this episode of Uncomfy, host Julie Rose joins Amy Dott as she reflects on the joy and heartbreak of her work, the persistent misunderstandings around refugee, immigrant, and asylum status, and how, more and more, her efforts to serve and advocate have started to feel political in ways they didn’t before.

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Episode transcript: https://uncomfypodcastbyu.blogspot.com/2025/04/dancing-in-discomfort-lessons-from.html

CHAPTERS

00:00 Introduction

00:44 Meet Amy Dott Harmer: A Decade with Refugees

01:13 Dancing Out of the Comfort Zone

03:38 Building Connections and Understanding

05:21 The Role of Utah Refugee Connection

08:18 Challenges in a Politicized Climate

13:19 Personal Reflections and Broader Impact

15:52 Conclusion and Call to Action