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Data Wars and the DOJ

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To discuss the Department of Justice’s new proposed rule on data security, we interviewed two brilliant guests from the ChinaTalk Hall of Fame — DOJ National Security Division attorneys Lee Licata and Devin DeBacker.

Before DOJ, Lee was an attorney at DHS and then CBP, while Devin was a partner at Kirkland & Ellis and then worked with the Office of White House Counsel. Today we’ll be discussing the DOJ’s new proposed rule on data security. 

We get into…

  • DOJ’s plan to protect your data from foreign adversaries,
  • How public comments have shaped the proposed rule since the last time we interviewed Lee and Devin,
  • DOJ’s tools for enforcing corporate compliance,
  • The differences between data security regulations, privacy laws, and export controls,
  • Why some public comments get accepted and some get rejected,
  • The DOJ playbook for assembling a dream team of talented bureaucrats.


    • Thanks to Nicholas Welch for hosting this interview!

    Outtro music: Bad Boys (Theme from Cops) (Youtube link) + Everybody Loves the Sunshine (Takuya Kuroda) (YouTube)

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    Check out our last show about the DOJ's data security rule here.

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