Kelly explores a radical new way to rate politicians with Brad Porteus, the Executive Director of Bridge Grades, who reveals that the most collaborative members of Congress are complete unknowns while the divisive firebrands are celebrities. This eye-opening conversation, part of our Hard Conversations series, challenges our tribal politics and offers a surprising path forward: what if our differences could actually be America's superpower? Discover why humility might be the missing ingredient in our political discourse and how changing who we celebrate in Washington could transform our divided nation.

To see the existing scores for members of Congress, go to: www.bridgegrades.org. Subscribe to ⁠bridgegrades.substack.com⁠ to be the first to get the 2025 Bridge Grades.

Brad Porteus is also the author of, Roll With It, a heartfelt and vividly detailed love letter to Gen X.

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