In a compelling episode of the Men’s Therapy Podcast, host Marc Azoulay sits down with Jack Donovan. He is the author of The Way of Men and Fire in the Dark. He is also the founder of Solar Idealism and The Order of Fire, a men’s community centered around strength, purpose, and brotherhood.

Donovan is not your typical guest. In his early twenties, he identified as a feminist. Over time, real-life experiences challenged his beliefs. This led him to question mainstream ideology and revisit the meaning of modern masculinity. “I started to question a lot of things I was told… and I realized no one was explaining masculinity very well,” Donovan explains.

The episode explores how men often feel alienated in today’s world. It shows how group therapy, bonding, and initiation rituals can help them reconnect. These practices offer clarity, stability, and a sense of purpose. Donovan explores what it means to be a man today. He draws on mythology and psychology to shape his ideas. His framework is thoughtful and sometimes provocative.

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