Dr. John A. Gans, Jr., joins Jim Townsend and Carisa Nietsche to discuss his recent book "White House Warriors: How the National Security Council has Transformed the American Way of War." Dr. Gans discusses his experiences both researching and interacting with the NSC, its staff, and its wider impact as a ‘wartime’ NSC since 9/11. We conclude with a discussion about the concept of the NSC as an honest broker and whether it functions more effectively as an instrument of presidential administrations or as a mediator between the White House and other institutions that shape U.S. national security.