In this first episode of Real Optimism, Julia speaks with Central Otago sheep, beef and arable farmer Emma Crutchley. 

The pair discuss the importance of leadership that is based on influence and behaviour rather than titles and cover the challenges of securing funding, adapting to environmental regulations, and maintaining stakeholder relationships through a 'thousand cups of tea' strategy. 

The conversation also touches on the emotional toll of leadership, the need for empathy and resilience, and the significance of support networks. 

The podcast celebrates the unsung heroes of agriculture who lead with a solution-focused optimism and face adversity with a brave and tenacious spirit, all while advocating for a sustainable and prosperous future for farming communities.