Sunday Sanctuary with Petra Bagust

Sunday Sanctuary has teamed up with the Makers and Mystics podcast to bring you this episode on reclaiming wonder! Stephen Roach from Makers and Mystics is Petra's guest on this episode of Sunday Sanctuary as they explore the different ways that noticing the small wonders of the world can re-open, restore and change lives. Petra and Stephen look at finding wonder largely through the lens of creativity, but no matter how creative you're feeling today, this episode is a calm, wonder-chasing sanctuary for you. 

For those of you who want to delve deeper into Petra and Stephen's conversation, an extended cut will appear in the Makers and Mystics podcast feed on November 13th. For any Makers and Mystics listeners who have come to Sunday Sanctuary, kia ora/hello! It's great to have you here.

Haere mai! (Welcome/Come along!)

Sacred texts:

• 'The mystery of tea' scene from the film After Yang (a great film, especially for fans of cosy sci-fi which looks at themes of memory and family)
• 'The Summer Day' poem by Mary Oliver (read by Mary Oliver at The 92nd St Y)

Music:

• Weird Little Birthday Girl by Happyness (played during intro)
• Stormy by Gabor Szabo (played to end the first part of Stephen's conversation)
• Red Lit Room by Holly Arrowsmith
• Space is the Place by Ezra Collective (played during Community Life)
• The Sea Has Spoken by Songs of Water (This is Stephen's band! Played during the contemplative moment)
• Summer's End by Julie Byrne (played during communion)
• Movement 6 and Movement 7 by Floating Points, Pharoah Sanders and the London Symphony Orchestra
• Slider (Lorenzo Saxophone Dub) by This Is The Kit (played at the end of Stephen's conversation)
• Vanity by Mica Levi (played during the benediction)

Considering the number of people who are constantly chasing after contentment, you'd think someone would have found a tried and true formula by now, right? Unfortunately, it seems we need to keep looking, if such a formula even exists (which after making this episode of Sunday Sanctuary seems increasingly unlikely).

Trusting in a comment he once heard that it's more interesting to hear from someone still working it out as opposed to someone on the other side, producer Sam steps forward to share some of his wrestle with contentment. Sam introduces Petra to his friend Cole and the two have a conversation about finding contentment in the midst of their very different lives.

Later on, Petra talks with Rev. Spanky Moore about what he has learnt and noticed about contentment. Spanky charts his journey from playing in a punk band and through his radio career before landing up as an Anglican priest and tells Petra about one life-changing conversation he had at age 25. 

Haere mai!

Sacred texts:

• 'The Dude abides' scene from The Big Lebowski
• 'Alleyway conversation' scene from Before Sunrise (an incredible film!)

Music:

• Take Five by Dave Brubeck (played during Sam's boat story)
• East Cape by Headland (played during Sam's boat story)
• Le Petits Gris by Khruangbin (played during Sam and Cole's conversation)
• Sun Rays Like Stilits by Tommy Geurrero (played at the end of Cole's conversation)
• Actually by Rozi Plain
• (Can't Get No) Satisfaction by The Rolling Stones (played during communion)
• Getting to Me by Caroline Rose
• Anchin Kfu Ayinkash by Hailu Mergia and the Dhalak Band (played at the end of Spanky's conversation)
• memory as miniatures by Rachika Nayar (played during the benediction)

For a practice with a long history in legal and religious settings, on this episode of Sunday Sanctuary, Petra Bagust goes looking for the benefits of bringing confession into more regular, everyday use. What difference would it make to more regularly put words to what is actually going on for us? Or as Petra puts it, "making our insides match our outsides."

Come along as Petra talks to Grace McArthur for our reccuring segment, Atlas of the Heart. Grace and Petra unpack the wisdom from Brené Brown's book of the same name, this time having a look at the chapter on vulnerability

Later on in the episode, Petra talks to Dr Michael Frost. Michael started out in the field of biomedical science before he change tack to get a PhD in theology. Michael also leads a small church in Tāmaki Makaurau/Auckland called Edge and hosts the podcast In the Shift.

Sacred texts:

• 20 priests clip from the film Spotlight (not always an easy watch but highly recommended viewing)

Music:

• I Think I Love You by The Partridge Family (played during the intro)
• Come Live with Me by Dorothy Ashby (played at the end of Grace's interview)
• Confessions by Usher
• Doing the Wrong Thing by Kaki King (played during communion. You might recognise this song from the movie Into the Wild)
• Sensory Memory by Jen Cloher
• Just Saying by Jamie xx (played during Michael's interview)
• Instrumental by The Fuzzy Robes (played during the benediction)

What do you do to feel most connected with God? One way that many of us grew up with is the idea of 'quiet time' where you physically sit still and quiet. While there is still value in this practice (just ask friend of the show Strahan Coleman), this is something that many struggled with growing up and, in actual fact, there are many ways to connect with God.

Join Petra Bagust in this special episode recorded live in the Coromadel at the Love It Media staff retreat. Petra first talks to senior producer, Josh Couch, who breaks down the nine different paths of connection as identified by Gary Thomas in his book Sacred Pathways.

After some time to think, Petra then hears from different members of the Love It Media staff team, who offer a mix of funny and poignant stories about the different ways they feel connected to God. To wrap it all up, Sunday Sanctuary's very own Rev Frank Ritchie leads communion (which you're welcome to join in with from home) and Petra finishes off with another benediction from Kate Bowler and Jessica Ritchie. Join us!

Sacred Texts:

• Sacred Pathways by Gary Thomas
• C. S. Lewis quote from his book Miracles

Music:

• Pine Trees by Mary Lattimore (played at end of Josh's interview)
• Make that Connection by Tom Petty
• Frolic by Jake Xerxes Fussell (played during the time for contemplation)
• Blue in Green by Miles Davis (played during communion)
• Collect for Midday by The Fuzzy Robes
• Summer's End by Julie Byrne (played to end the episode)

Ka mua, ka muri. To walk into the future facing backwards. What exactly does that mean? If you let your imagination explore that idea for a second you might start to get an idea. How do we, specifically pākehā New Zealanders, move into the future with an eye on our history, personal, national, religious etc, to help guide our actions. What implications does this have for how we live?

Join Petra Bagust in this episode as she explores the whakatauki of ka mua, ka muri. Petra's first guest is Dr Alistair Reese. Alistair gave the dawn service kauhau/sermon at Waitangi Day 2024 and has a PhD in Theology titled 'Reconciliation and the Quest for Pākehā Identity in Aotearoa New Zealand'. He has a new book out, all about the history of the relationship between Māori and Pākehā (with a specific focus on the church) called He Tatau Pounamu. You can buy a copy here.

Petra is also joined by Elliot Collins. Artist, teacher and Dr (another one!), Petra wanted to talk to her friend Elliot to find out what it means to him to live as a treaty partner in day to day life. 

Sacred Texts:

• Clip from Dr Alistair Reese's kauhau/sermon delivered during the dawn service at Waitangi 2024

Music:

• Innerspace by The Apples in Stereo (played at end of Alistair's interview)
• Treaty by Moana and the Tribe
• music for indigo by Adrianne Lenker (played during the candle segment)
• Pepeha by Six60
• Frolic by Jake Xerxes Fussell (played at the end of Elliot's interview)
• Start Somewhere by Courtney Barnett (played to end the episode)

What communities are you part of? What does being involved in community mean for your life? Those are two of the core questions in this episode of Sunday Sanctuary. Whether we see ourselves as being community members or not, the different groups we are part of influence how we live our lives.

Community connections lead to both of the interviews for this episode. First up, Petra sat down to talk with the Reverend Dr Hirini Kaa, principal of St John's Theological College in Tāmaki Makaurau. Dr Kaa shared his views on what community means to him as a Māori man and how mana plays a part. Petra's second conversation is with Jenny Duckworth, someone who has lived in several communities all with a very intentional focus on serving their neighbours.

This episode also sees Producer Sam head back to Cornwall Park here in Auckland to ask unsuspecting strangers about their stories of community. He also tries to bring a theme song to the episode, with mixed success..... Haere mai!

Music:

- Come Together by The Beatles 
- Interlude by Julie Byrne (played during contemplative practice)
- Alegria by Elia y Elizabeth (played during community life)
- Everyday People by Sly and the Family Stone
- Oh My God by Kevin Morby (played at the end of Jenny's interview)
- Sun Rays Like Stilts by Tommy Guerrero (played during the benediction)

Re-enchantment, de-magification, however you want to put it, there are many people who are looking to embrace the wilder side of life and faith. Good friend of the show Rev Frank Ritchie is currently on a journey to re-enchant his life and so joins Petra to co-host this episode.

In this episode Petra talks to Dr Belle Tindall, co-host of the Re-enchanting podcast about where this whole idea of re-enchantment comes from. Next, Petra catches up with an old friend, Erin Morales Ruka, who lives a more enchanted life for an insight into what that looks like. Haere mai!

Sacred texts:

• Scene from Mary Poppins

Music:

• Adventure of a Lifetime by Coldplay
• God Gave Me Feet For Dancing by Ezra Collective
• Follow My Voice by Julie Byrne (played at end of Dr Belle's interview)
• Water No Get Enemy by Fela Kuti (played during Community Life segment)
• Equipoise by Max Roach (Played at end of Erin's interview)
• Slider - Lorenzo Saxophone Dub by This Is The Kit (Played at end of the episode)

We're in the middle of the winter season here in Aotearoa New Zealand right now, but have you ever gone through a time in life that felt like a winter? They can arrive following a death, a job loss, a disappointment, as a result of something else or out of nowhere! Everyone will experience times like these, so whether you're in a winter now or not, we made this episode for you.

In this episode of Sunday Sanctuary, Petra is joined by three guests. Up first is Horowhenua based GP and poet Glenn Colquhoun. Next, Petra talks to spiritual director Margaret Tooley. Lastly (and most excitingly for Petra), she talks to Australian cartoonist, poet and author Michael Leunig. Haere mai! Join us for an exploration of life's winters, what we can do about them, and what we can learn by "getting out into them".

Sacred text:

An edited passage from Let Your Life Speak by Parker Palmer

Featured music:

• Mr Sun by Greentea Peng
• A Forest by The Cure (played during scared text)
• Fold by Jose Gonzalez (played during scared text)
• Innerspace by The Apples in Stereo (played during scared text)
• Turn! Turn! Turn! by The Byrds
• Zionsville by Khruangbin (played at end of episode)

This episode is for three groups of people:

1) Those who have stumbled across a place where it felt like heaven was especially close

2) Those who have a place meaningful to them where they find themselves replenished and reconnected with the source of life whenever they are there

3) Those who are wondering "what the heck is all this about!?"

Whoever you are, join Petra as she talks to her good friends Pio Terei and Rev. Frank Ritchie to explore the Māori idea of ūkaipō and the Celtic idea of 'thin spaces'.

Sacred Text:

Where Heaven and Earth Come Closer by Erik Weiner. Published by the New York Times on 09/03/2012

Example of a prayer kneeler as mentioned by Frank

Featured Music:

• Woman of the Hill by Caitlin Gilligan
• River by Leon Bridges
• Climb by Laura Misch (played at the end of Pio's conversation)
• Rivers That You Cannot See by North Americans (played during Community Life)
• Space 1.8 by Nala Sinephro (played during the Contemplative Practice)
• Statue of a Woman by Novo Amor (played during the outro)

Sometimes it feels like the world is in a precarious place. It can be easy to fear what the future holds. Is it healthy to hold on to a certain amount of fear? Does is galvanise us to act? And if so, how much is too much? Petra speak to spiritual director, Rachel Kitchens, about the what to do with our fear of the future and historian, Peter Lineham, about what history shows us about the fear of the state of the world. 

Sacred Texts:

Edited excerpt from Unruly Saint by D.L. Mayfield

An Excerpt from In the Shelter by Pádraig Ó Tuama by On Being Studios. Read by the author.

Featured Music:

Play with Me by The Album Leaf
Waiting on the World to Change by John Mayer
Eve of Destruction by Barry McGuire
Holy War by Alicia Keys
Distraction Days by The Album Leaf