Petra's full conversation with Professor Niki Harré, from the episode Am I My Brother's Keeper?

Ohhhh how much more simple life would be if all we had to do was look out for ourselves.... But in a society that encourages insularity, and where its negative consequences can be clearly seen, how do we balance responsibility for ourselves, as well as responsibility for others?

In this episode of Sunday Sanctuary, Petra talks to returning fan favourite Frank Ritchie and the head of the school of psychology at Auckland University, Niki Harré. Niki's new book 'The Calling; A Year Exploring What the Secular World can Learn from Religion" is out on March 12th.

Sacred Text:

He Tatau Pounamu by Alistair Reese

Sam drew on reporting and interviews from Jad Abumrad's podcast Fela Kuti: Fear No Man. Listen to it on Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts

Music:

Instrumental by The Fuzzy Robes

Zombie by Fela Kuti

Lagos (Never Gonna Be The Same) by Hugh Masakela and Tony Allen

Slider - Lorenzo Saxophone Dub by This Is The Kit

Nest Egg by Phoenix Foundation

Tesifa by Laney Tripp

Kia ora! We're back from our wee break and are stoked to be making more episodes of Sunday Sanctuary for you this year.

Find us on Instagram. We're @sundaysanctuarynz

Sacred Texts:

Unruly Saint by D. L. Mayfield

I Shall Be Released by Nina Simone

The four themes of the season of Advent in the Christian calendar are hope, peace, joy and love. There are two others that we've noticed, though, which are anticipation and celebration. In this episode, Petra explores how these two things can happen at the same time. First up, Petra and producer Sam talk to a handful of people who are all at different moments of change (graduation, motherhood, marriage etc). Later on Petra talks to Rev. Sarah Lea-West about her art (found here) and how she has learnt to navigate the combination of anticipation and celebration.

Sacred Text:

• A passage from Padraig O'Tuama's book In the Shelter

Music:

• Exchange by Massive AttackSunshine
• Family Affair by Mary J Blige
• The Breeze by Dr Dog
• Peace Piece by Bill Evans
• Muramura by Aro

Sunday the 30th of November marks the start of Advent for 2025, the season of the Christian calendar that leads into Christmas. As Petra and guest producer Mick get into, Advent is all about waiting. In the first half, Mick talks to his close friends Tom and Carly about a long wait they endured in 2021. Later on Petra talks to Rev. Mathew 'Newt' Newton about how faith in God can help us to learn to wait, even when it often feels like there is no good reason to. 

Sacred Text:

• Sacred Trust by Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Music:

• A Change is Gonna Come by Sam Cooke
• Statue of a Woman by Novo Amour
• Moon Age by Duster
• Sitting in Limbo by Jimmy Cliff
• Intro by The xx
• Space 7 by Nala Sinephro

Why do people still go to church? There are no shortage of reasons why church might seem like an outdated model for collective Christian worship, so why do they hang around? In this collab episode with the In The Shift podcast, Petra and Michael Frost sit down to talk about the societal and spiritual reasons why churches are still worthwhile, in spite of their spotty history.

If you want to find the full discussion that Petra and Michael had, look for In The Shift wherever you find your podcasts. Find the website here and the Instagram here. An episode of In The Shift we recommend you start with if you're keen to hear more is episode #104 with James Beck, 'Earthiness, Spirituality and Relational Resonance'.

Sacred Texts:

• Quote from Dietrich Bonhoeffer
• Excerpt from a Guardian profile of popstar Rosalia

Music:

• Another Scorcher by Christoph El Truento
• Equipoise by Max Roach
• Galvanise by The Chemical Brothers
• FTA by Whitney
• Get Together by The Youngbloods
• Grazing In The Grass by Hugh Masakela
• Just Saying by Jamie xx

In this episode of Sunday Sanctuary, what happens when communities are involved in times of death. Petra Bagust talks to Treza Gallogly, a death doula (think death midwife), about why making plans and involving others helps so much when preparing for death. Producer Sam talks to those involved with the community response to the death of baby Anahera in the Auckland suburb or Onehunga.

Treza's website can be found here and is part of the End of Life Doula Alliance Aotearoa

Sacred text:

• Late Fragment by Raymond Carver, read by Gabriel Byrne

Music:

• You are the Gold by Terrible Sons
• Sun Rays Like Stilts by Tommy Guerero
• Moonlight on the River by Mac DeMarco
• Last Orders by Richard Hawley
• I Still Hear You by Adrianne Lenker and Buck Meek
• New Grass by Talk Talk
• Tesifa by Laney Tripp

Most of us think we're pretty good at listening. From kids asked to "whakarongo mai" at school, to a one-on-one catch up with a friend, listening can't be that hard, can it? But what changes when the person speaking feels truly heard or understood? And what similarities are there between listening to others, and listening to God?

In this episode, Petra talks to sexologist and relationship coach Meg Cowan about how we can better listen to others. Later on, fan favourite Rev. Spanky Moore returns to share what he has noticed in the years he's spent listening to God, and helping others to do the same. Rev. Frank Ritchie brings a fantastic reflection of Communion, we hear your thoghts during Community Life, and there's top notch waiata/music as always.

Sacred Texts:

- Francis Bebey and the Pygmy Flute

Music:

1. Emotional Intelligence by Chaos in the CBD (played to start Meg's interview)
2. Space 7 by Nala Sinephro (played to end Meg's interview)
3. Man I Need by Olivia Dean
4. Rivers That You Cannot See by North Americans (played during communion)
5. Live for Each Other by Cut Off Your Hands
6. Homeless Wanderer by Emahoy Tsege Maryam Gebru (played at the end)

Bird sound effect: Various_birds_bush_NewZealand_4channel_front.flac by Phistomefel -- https://freesound.org/s/326546/ -- License: Attribution 3.0

Kia ora e te whānau! Petra and producer Sam jump in to say hi after their hiatus. Come for the updates on what they've been up to and the impromtu spelling bee, stay for the wisdom from Nick Cave and Nigel Latta. The first full episode of Sunday Sanctuary will be out on October 19th.

Here is Nick Cave's letter

Here is a link to buy Nigel's book 

Songs:

Pray for Me by SAULT (played to end the episode)

While Sunday Sanctuary is on a break, we want to share episodes from podcasts that we think you'll really like. This week: Makers & Mystics.

This episode is from season 13 of Makers and Mystics, "the podcast for the art-driven, spiritually adventurous seekers of truth and lovers of life." In this episode, Stephen Roach and his guest, John Heers, discuss viewing "hospitality as revolution". Big thanks to Stephen for letting us share this episode. If you like what you hear, you can find Makers & Mystics wherever you listen to podcasts.

Makers & Mystics website

Makers & Mystics Instagram