In this solo episode, Vanessa and Dené passed a miniature microphone back and forth in the car to record a conversation they were having on the way to their New Year's retreat.

They talked about:

1. How their perspective on interdependence differs from the ways others describe it in several personal development and psychology spaces.  

2. How a woman’s experience of safety in a relationship can have a lot to do with the emotional load she is carrying.

3. Why most of us are actually taking on way more in our day-to-day lives than is meant to be sustainable for our nervous systems.

Mental health professionals, we referenced in this episode:

Dr. Ellyn Bader / The Couples Institute

Esther Perel

Dr. Mary Catherine McDonald 

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