The IT Experts Podcast

EP144 – The Art of Having a Difficult Conversation with Julie Hutchison and Ian Luckett


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Julie shared the BIN model, which is designed to help you navigate difficult conversations with elegance and ease. The emphasis is on understanding and respecting the needs of both parties involved, creating an atmosphere for a win-win outcome. When you focus on what you need rather than what you dislike, you reduce the chance of pushback and pave the way for a more constructive conversation. 

 

We delved into the importance of delegating within a flat structure, where many report into one or two individuals. Delegating isn't a sign of weakness or an admission that you can't handle everything yourself; it's about recognizing the talents and aspirations of your team members. The right conversation can uncover hidden potential, fostering growth within your team and freeing you from unnecessary burdens. 

 

Julie also provided insights into having a conversation about the conversation. It's not about reacting in the heat of the moment, but rather stepping back to respond thoughtfully. We talked about taking a dissociated perspective, like watching ourselves on TV, and discussing our interactions calmly. This approach can lead to more honest, open, and productive dialogues. 

 

Our conversation also explored the relationship between human behaviour and leadership, how to build better connections at work, and how to translate those skills into more harmonious relationships at home. 

 

In our lively conversation, Julie emphasised the importance of not letting conflicts fester. Her insights on communication were eye-opening and packed with actionable advice that I believe will benefit many of you. 

 

The key takeaway from this episode? Communication isn't just about talking; it's about truly understanding one another and finding common ground. It's about transforming what might otherwise be difficult conversations into simply, conversations. 

 

If you'd like to learn more, don't forget to check out Episode 127 on the art of daring to delegate and supercharging your team. 

 

We hope you enjoy this episode as much as Julie and I enjoyed this conversation, we almost did not want to stop! 

 

Here’s where you can watch our recent Leadership Masterclass. Just click HERE 

 

And here’s where you can listen to Episode 127 - Daring to Delegate – The Art of Supercharging Your Team. Simply click HERE 

 

We encourage all of you to keep sending in your questions as we love to answer them on the Ask Stuart series So, click HERE , fill out the form, and we'll tackle your questions in our upcoming episodes. 

 

Connect with me on LinkedIn and see what I'm up to by clicking HERE 

You can also connect with Stuart and see what he is up to by clicking HERE 

To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 300 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE 

 

Until next time, look after yourself and I’ll catch up with you soon!

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