Desa speaks with scholar-activist Dr. Autumn Asher BlackDeer on her experiences within higher education as she moved into her decolonial research. They talk about their experiences finding a balance between academic work with the community heart work that refills them. The end by talking about how grief has continued to inform them now and into the future.

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