Stephen Kinzer is a historian, a Senior Fellow in International and Public Affairs at Brown University, and the author of various books including, "Poisoner in Chief: Sidney Gottlieb and the CIA Search for Mind Control."

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(00:00) Intro

(01:00) What was MK-Ultra? Who was Sidney Gottlieb?

(08:55) The U.S.'s collaboration with Nazi and Japanese torturers

(14:43) The historical context that justified MK-Ultra

(24:25) Examples of torture from the MK-Ultra program

(30:53) LSD and MK-Ultra

(39:14) The eventual conclusion from the MK-Ultra program

(43:21) Speculating on the full scope and details of the MK-Ultra program

(49:13) Stephen's ethical judgments on Gottlieb

(53:25) Has Stephen received pushback for his revelations?

(57:04) Is something like MK-Ultra happening now?

(59:47) Why do so few Americans know about MK-Ultra?