Mark Clifford is president of the Committee for Freedom in Hong Kong and the author of "The Troublemaker: How Jimmy Lai Became a Billionaire, Hong Kong's Greatest Dissident, and China's Most Feared Critic."

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00:00 Intro

00:57 Mark's relationship with Jimmy Lai

06:40 Jimmy's journalism in Hong Kong

10:41 The source of Jimmy's devout anti-communism

18:27 Jimmy's interest in journalism

21:35 Was Jimmy optimistic about Hong Kong's future?

24:27 China's public enemy #1

33:22 Jimmy's core principles

39:40 Lessons from Jimmy's example

44:14 Hong Kong and JImmy's future

49:47 Jimmy's eccentricities and flaws