Jane is struggling to train a cat, Fi is unconvinced by slip-on shoes, and some tortoises somewhere are having very loud sex.

They're joined by author and historian Bettany Hughes to talk about her latest book "The Seven Wonders of the Ancient World".

Plus, all this week on their Times Radio show, Jane and Fi will focus on pornography and the impact it has. If you want to follow along with this conversation, make sure you're tuning into Times Radio every day this week at 4:20pm.

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Times Radio Producer: Rosie Cutler

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