Joe Holder—founder of The Ocho System, Nike Master Trainer, and wellness visionary—sits down with Michael Chernow to talk about feeling good for life. From the power of low-intensity workouts to the irreplaceable advice he received from Virgil Abloh, this episode is packed with real talk on movement, mindset, and modern wellness.

Today, the two explore:

• The dangers of fitness extremes and burnout
  

• Why breathwork and somatics matter now more than ever
  

• Men’s wellness and how to start prioritizing it
  

• Easy habits that actually stick
  

• How low-intensity training can completely change how you feel
  

• Workout tips straight from Joe’s own method

Whether you’re a biohacker, weekend warrior, or just trying to move better and feel stronger, Joe drops gems you won’t want to miss. See you next week, Kreatures!

TIMESTAMPS:

1:18 When does fitness influence become unhealthy?

15:39 Benefits of breathwork and somatics

30:46 Prioritizing men’s wellness

40:13 Habits anyone can implement

54:40 The best advice Joe got from Virgil Abloh

1:08:58 Why low-intensity workouts = high-impact results

1:21:00 Inside look at Joe’s personal workout programming