In this episode, Lisa Johnson, co-founder of Been There Got Out, shares her story of going through a high-conflict divorce with an emotionally abusive husband who lived a secret double life. Lisa's divorce ultimately cost her over $80,000 in legal fees to resolve - and that was just the beginning of her legal journey.

Lisa then spent 10 years fighting to enforce her divorce judgment after she was divorced. Because she couldn't afford a lawyer, Lisa learned how to navigate the legal system herself, while her ex fought her every step of the way. She coined the term "legal abuse" to describe what happens when someone weaponizes the legal system to control, harass, intimidate, and impoverish their ex-spouse.

Lisa now works to educate and support others who are embroiled in abusive, high-conflict legal situations so that, they too, can take control of their case, without going bankrupt in the process.

About Lisa
Lisa is the co-founder of Been There Got Out.  Lisa and her partner Chris offer a weekly Legal Abuse Support Group for those dealing with narcissistic opponents in legal matters. Their book, "Been There Got Out: Toxic Relationships, High-Conflict Divorce, and How to Stay Sane Under Insane Circumstances'' was released in March 2023.   

Connect with Lisa
You can connect with Lisa on LinkedIn at Been There Got Out or her Facebook at Been There Got Out.  You can also find Lisa on YouTube at Been There Got Out, listen to her Podcast Been There Got Out and follow her on Instagram at Been There Got Out, TikTok at @been_there_got_out and Twitter at BeenThereGotOut.  To learn more about working with Lisa visit her website at Been There Got Out where you can also sign up for her newsletter to keep informed of her upcoming events and her upcoming FREE webinar on what parental alienation / coercive control / abuse by proxy / poisoning the well looks like…and what you can do about it.  The best way to contact Lisa is by email at [email protected].

Karen Covy is a Divorce Coach and Consultant, Lawyer, Author, and Speaker who is dedicated to helping people make the best decisions possible for themselves, their families, and their future - especially in stressful times. You can check out Karen's videos on YouTube.

You can connect with Karen on LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and on her own website at karencovy.com.