In this episode, Dr. David Hanscom continues his discussion with Dan Hindsley and Penny George, chronic pain sufferers who used a mind-body approach to heal from chronic pain.  They share how they met and teamed up to launch the website www.mindbodymedicineinfo.org in January 2021. It is designed to help raise the awareness of clinicians in the UK about the mind-body approach to treating chronic pain and chronic illness.  They discuss their plans for future projects to expand their efforts, including raising funds for documentary.

Penny George is based in Fife, Scotland and became ill with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome in 2017 during a particularly stressful period in her life, including the loss of two friends to suicide, and a highly toxic work environment.  She was told about the work of Dr Sarno by a Buddhist nun, and experienced an overnight 'book recovery' after reading the first half of the Divided Mind in August 2019. 

Dan Hindsley is based in Lancashire, England, and was diagnosed with degenerative disc disease in his 20s following an MRI scan. He was sent away to 'manage' the pain and suffered with severe sciatica and back pain for over a decade before discovering the work of Dr Sarno where he made the link between the pain and repressed grief.  Following the methods described in Georgie Oldfield's book Chronic Pain: Your Key to Recovery, he made a full recovery which culminated in him completing an Ironman 70.3 Triathlon in 2019, after years of believing he was unable to run. 

They encourage people that have recovered through a Mindbody process to go back and contact their doctors and tell their story and share any material that helped them, be it books, podcasts or at https://mindbodymedicineinfo.org.