Warning: This episode contains some explicit language. 

The drama at OpenAI is not over. Kevin and Casey take stock of new information they’ve gathered since last week, and look at how other artificial intelligence companies are trying to capitalize on the debacle. Then, why people are still buying cryptocurrency even after Binance, the world’s largest crypto exchange, and its founder pleaded guilty to money laundering violations. And finally, three ways A.I. is ruining web search. Or is it?

Today’s guest: David Yaffe-Bellany covers crypto for The New York Times.

Additional Reading:

Casey has new details from the OpenAI board fight.

Changpeng Zhao, the Binance founder, agreed to pay a $50 million fine and step down from his role as chief executive.

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In yet another head-spinning twist at OpenAI, Sam Altman was reinstated as the company’s chief executive on Tuesday night, a mere five days after the OpenAI board had fired him. The board will be overhauled and a new set of directors, including Bret Taylor and Lawrence Summers, will join.

Today, we discuss how Altman returned to the top seat — and whether the OpenAI news will ever slow down.

Additional Reading:

• Late Tuesday night, Sam Altman was reinstated as OpenAI’s chief executive.

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Last week, we interviewed Sam Altman. Since then, well, everything has changed. The board of OpenAI, maker of ChatGPT, fired Altman as chief executive on Friday. Over the weekend, it looked as if he might return. On Sunday night, Microsoft hired Altman to lead a new A.I. venture. Who knows what will happen next.

Today, an update on a crazy weekend in tech, and our interview with Sam Altman.

Today’s Guest:

• Sam Altman is the former chief executive of OpenAI.

Additional Reading:

• On Sunday, Microsoft hired Sam Altman after OpenAI had fired him.
• Kevin breaks down the winners and losers from the OpenAI rift.

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Sam Altman, the chief executive of Open AI, was pushed out of the company by its board of directors on Friday. The news was a complete shock to much of the company’s employee base and to its largest corporate partner, Microsoft. Silicon Valley insiders are scrambling to get answers on exactly what happened and why the board’s decision seemed so abrupt. We rundown what we know and the many things we still don’t.

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The tech start-up Humane launched a new device, an A.I. pin meant to be worn on our clothing. Might this be the device that replaces the iPhone? It’s the question on Silicon Valley’s mind. The pin allows users to take phone calls, catch up on messages and get answers to questions, all without ever looking at a screen.

Then, why YouTube is bucking the trend on deepfakes.

Plus: We eat a Thanksgiving meal made with meat that was grown in a lab.

Today’s Guest:

• Joshua March is the chief executive of SCiFi Foods, the lab-grown meat company.

Additional Reading:

• Humane says it’s artificial intelligence pin can replace screens. Is the pin the start of the next generation of hardware?
• Casey on YouTube’s latest approach to deepfakes.

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Warning: this episode contains some explicit language.

OpenAI has unveiled a new way to build custom chatbots. Kevin shows off a few that he’s built – including a custom Hard Fork bot, and a bot that gives investment advice inspired by his late grandpa. 

Then, we talk to Lina Khan, the chair of the Federal Trade Commission, about the agency’s approach to regulating A.I., and whether the tactics she’s used to regulate big tech companies are working.

And finally, a Bored Ape Yacht Club event left some attendees' eyes burning, literally. That, and Sam Bankman-Fried’s recent fraud conviction has us asking, how much damage hath the crypto world wrought? 

Today’s guest:

• Lina Khan, chair of the Federal Trade Commission

Additional reading: 

• OpenAI’s new tools allow users to customize their own GPTs.
• Lina Khan believes A.I. disruption demands regulators take a different approach than that of the Web 2.0 era.

More than 20 people reported burning eye pain after a Bored Ape Yacht Club party in Hong Kong.

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President Biden’s new executive order on artificial intelligence has a little bit of everything for everyone concerned about A.I. Casey takes us inside the White House as the order was signed.

Then, Rebecca Tushnet, a copyright law expert, walks us through the latest developments in a lawsuit against the creators of A.I.-image generation tools. She explains why artists may have trouble making the case that these tools infringe on their copyrights.

And finally, it’s time again for HatGPT. We get a taste of the tech headlines you may have missed from the week.

Today’s guest:

• Rebecca Tushnet, professor of law at Harvard Law School.

Additional reading:

• Casey’s debrief on his trip to the White House.
• Kevin’s breakdown of the executive order.
• A judge found many of the claims in a lawsuit against Stability AI, Midjourney and DeviantArt to be “defective.”

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Dozens of state attorneys general has sued Meta, alleging the company knowingly created features that induce “extended, addictive, and compulsive social media use” among teenagers and children. In a country without wide-reaching internet regulations, are lawsuits the way to reign tech companies in? 

Then, for our first episode on YouTube, we talk with YouTuber and tech reviewer Marques Brownlee about how the platform has changed, and the future tech he’s excited about. 

And finally, A.I. image generators are getting scary good. Casey tells us what he’s been using them for. 

Today’s guest:

• Marques Brownlee is a YouTuber who covers tech.

Additional reading: 

• Meta is accused of using features to lure children to Instagram and Facebook.
• Subscribe to Hard Fork on YouTube.
• The latest A.I. image generators show how quickly the tech is advancing.

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A.I. models are black boxes. You input a prompt and the model outputs nearly anything: a sonnet, an image or a legal brief riddled with lies. Today, a look at three ways that researchers are unlocking that black box in hopes of bringing transparency to A.I.

Then, Marc Andreessen’s techno-optimist manifesto has left us asking, Is he OK?!

Plus: decoding a 2,000-year-old ancient scroll with the help of A.I.

Today’s Guest:

• Brent Seales is a computer scientist at the University of Kentucky.

Additional Information:

• Kevin Roose on learning more about how A.I. works.
• Marc Andreessen’s 5,000-word manifesto
• Using A.I. to decode a scroll that survived the eruption of Mount Vesuvius in A.D. 79.

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As the Israel-Hamas war broke out, misinformation and fake imagery surged on X, the platform formerly known at Twitter. Can Meta’s Threads fill the real-time news hole that X created? Should it?

Then, Kevin debriefs us on his reporting on Manifold Markets, where Silicon Valley Rationalists bet on the likelihoods of different events.

Plus: The company digitizing smell.

Today’s Guest:

• Alex Wiltschko is the founder of Osmo, a company trying to digitize smell.

Additional Reading:

• Casey Newton on how the war in Israel may change Threads.
• Some tech insiders believe betting can change the world.
• The company Osmo put out a research paper showing that an A.I. model it had created was performing better than the “average human panelist” in predicting odor. We want to hear from you.

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