Ben and Ione open with childhood party games (Catch and Kiss vs Seven Minutes in Heaven), then riff on their Pulp/Dave Grohl clip going viral and what it means to be living in "clip culture" where people quote your Shorts but never listen to the pod. Ione shares a tantalising story about a famous actress at a Hollywood party she can't name. They debate Gen X restraint on the internet versus younger generations' oversharing. Ben recounts a Bondi Boys album launch that felt like an 80s NYC loft party (no MDMA in the wine, definitely not). The second half digs into Lena Dunham's #1 NYT book, why divisive women in culture get asked to play the "mad bad crazy witch" role, and the Patti Smith vs Lena Dunham model of provocation. And finally a chat about the tactile fanzine revival moment — after an enlightening experience printing actual flyers for his May shows with Zoe from The Boys.

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