What is God doing when bad things happen? In this episode, we discuss this question and the place of hope in the midst of our messy lives with Bishop Jake Owensby.

Hope is not merely wishful thinking. Hope digs deeper and moves us in a way that wishful thinking cannot. There is hope because we act in hope. And we’ll see that because there is hope, there is a movement of the Divine.

Jake Owensby is the Bishop of the Episcopal Church in Western Louisiana. Author of five books on everyday spirituality, a speaker, and a retreat leader, Jake focuses on helping people discover meaning and purpose in their own lives. His most recent book is Looking for God in Messy Places.