Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

How to Beat Trump in a World Where Indictments Actually Help Him


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Donald Trump was impeached twice. He has been indicted three times. He lost the 2020 election. And yet he’s the clear Republican front-runner for 2024.

Today on “Matter of Opinion,” Michelle Cottle, Ross Douthat and Carlos Lozada explore how Trump has created a winning political strategy and what his potential nomination could mean for Joe Biden, the Republican Party and the future of the country.

 

Mentioned in this episode:

  • The Normal Paths to Beating Trump Are Closing,” by Ross Douthat for The New York Times
  • The Right Way to Resist Trump,” by Luigi Zingales in The New York Times
  • “Rules for Resistance: Advice From Around the Globe for the Age of Trump,” by David Cole and Melanie Wachtell Stinnett
  • Trump and Allies Forge Plans to Increase Presidential Power in 2025,” by Jonathan Swan, Charlie Savage and Maggie Haberman for The New York Times
  • “So Help Me God,” by Mike Pence
  • “The Imperial Presidency,” by Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr.

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