If you’ve ever replayed a conversation in the shower—or staged an entire debate in your head on the way to the grocery store—you already know the brain can be a noisy place. Today, we’re learning how self-talk shapes what you feel, what you do next, and whether you get stuck in a loop. Writer Donna Jackson Nakazawa unpacks why rumination is so sticky—and how to interrupt it—in Mind Drama: The Science of Rumination and How to Outwit Your Inner Defeatist. And in the second half of the show, psychologist Ethan Kross joins us to share the big ideas from ⁠Chatter: The Voice in Our Head, Why It Matters, and How to Harness It⁠.

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