What do you do when the life you built completely falls apart? That's the question New York Times bestselling author and podcast host Jen Hatmaker faced after her 26-year marriage ended and shattered everything she thought she knew. In the months that followed, she went from a shiny, successful leader — speaking to millions of women about authenticity and agency — to a mom of five trying to survive heartbreak, anxiety, and a life she no longer recognized. In this powerful conversation, we talk about how to begin again when the life you planned falls apart and the surprising freedom that comes when you stop pretending everything's fine.

Jen's new memoir, Awake, is out now.

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