Mark Williamson interviews Dr. Jessamy Hibberd, chartered clinical psychologist and author of The Overthinking Cure, about how overthinking can spiral into low mood and anxiety and why it often feels like control when it isn’t.

Jessamy outlines a simple five-step approach: notice your overthinking, shift your mood (mindfulness, body-based strategies, distraction), challenge unhelpful thoughts, accept what life brings, and take action to face fears. The episode includes practical tips for nighttime rumination, neurodiverse minds, and supporting loved ones with compassion.