No smiling with your eyes here, people—this week, Remy and Emily are diving into just how toxic “America’s Next Top Model” was… with none other than Sarah Hartshorne, a retired plus-size model who appeared on cycle 9 of the show. Sarah shares how she ended up on ANTM in the first place, what her casting call was like, and the moment she realized she was being scouted as the “plus size” model during her cycle. She gets into all of the toxicity behind the scenes, including the infamous makeovers, power dynamics with the producers, and that one time Twiggy called someone a “ham.” Yeah, really. They talk about some of the most controversial moments from the entire show, and how she looks back on her experience as a whole (hint: there’s a lot to unpack). They wrap up with a round of Last Licks, presented by Panera.

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