Anyone feeling burnt out right now? If the image of a once mighty gum tree with the centre all hollowed out and scorched from a bushfire springs to mind, then the answer is probably “yep”, or a drawn out “duuuuh”, or even a “no shit Sherlock”. Thankfully this episode will give you some much needed relief, insights, advice and recognition for all you’ve been navigating over the last few years. Jamila Rizvi has been a friend of Em’s for a very long time, in fact Em describes her as “possibly one of the most impressive humans I know”, she’s also an author, a presenter, an academic, a speaker and a gender equality advocate who spends her days trying to help make other people’s lives better. She’s smart, generous and also happens to be one of the busiest people Em knows, and she does all of those things while dealing with a brain tumour, which understandably affects every part of her life. Together Em and Jamila will work through why they both have such stupidly high productivity standards, how they’re trying to manage them down into something resembling normal, and what they do that’s purely for fun. Jamila has also previously had a career working in politics, so Em’s fully excited that there’s a touch of politics talk about the upcoming election too. Finally, there’s an inspiring discussion around how both Em and Jamila work to try and help women not be in the foetal position crying at 2am and questioning everything they hold dear. Together they wanna encourage everyone to share their weaknesses and vulnerability with the people around them, to build more honest connections, that also leads to both of them revealing what was going through each of their heads when Jamila organised a gathering of inspiring women for lunch recently. Basically there’s a lot for you to digest and enjoy within, so find a comfy spot and get set for an amazing, insightful and thoroughly enjoyable conversation, that will sit with you for a very long time.

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