Today Em sits down to chat with Aussie singer, songwriter, producer, performer, gamer, activist and former Eurovision contestant, Montaigne, aka Jessica Cerro about their first independent album ‘It’s Hard to Be a Fish’.

It’s being described as a strange, tender epic - a record about family, survival, disconnection and the slow work of becoming whole. Em described it as looking directly into the sun and one of the most beautiful things she has ever heard.

Together they discuss how the new album successfully brings together the trio of dealing with the mother wound, late-stage capitalism, and environmental catastrophe through the lens of pop music. Covering everything from the impact of intergenerational trauma, particularly from her Filipino heritage, and her decision to go no-contact with her mother, through to microdosing mushrooms, being an independent artist in today’s music industry, their Eurovision experience and so much more.

Then in our Sealed Section, on our premium service, Emsolation Extra, Michael comes bearing gifts for Em, they discuss the new ‘Superman’ movie and Michael’s deep love of the franchise, his mum visiting the set of his partner Adrian's new movie and the Mushroom trial.

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