"Moment of Zen"

Is AI our next nuclear threat? With Joshua Steinman and Nathan Labenz


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Joshua Steinman, former military officer who served as Deputy Assistant to President Trump and Senior Director for Cyber (2017-2021), now co-founder of Galvanick, joins Erik Torenberg and AI scout Nathan Labenz for a discussion on the AI arms race. They focus on US-China relations, the rate of AI development, and the global implications of a technological arms race. 


Should the US and China work together to prevent a future of AI-powered warfare, or is a conflict inevitable?

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References mentioned:

  • Systems Confrontation and System Destruction Warfare: How the Chinese People's Liberation Army Seeks to Wage Modern Warfare
  • 2024 Global Threat Report | 2024 Cyber Threat Report

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    TIMESTAMPS:

    (00:00) Intro

    (00:16) Reflections on previous episode

    (03:31) Discussion on AI and Energy Concerns

    (05:57) AI Arms Race Concerns and China's Plans

    (09:49) Distributed Training and Rhetoric

    (12:10) Ashenbrenner Model and Benefit Sharing

    (15:54) Josh's Experience with Trump and Media Misrepresentation

    (18:22) Public Perception of Trump and Media Bias

    (23:07) Reasons for Disparaging Trump and the Dynamics of Power

    (28:41) China's Nature and Response to China

    (31:08) AI Concerns, Energy, and Corporate Power

    (36:02) Tail Risk, Slaughterbots, and Political Power

    (38:27) Arms Reduction Treaties and Reality

    (42:05) Decommissioning Nuclear Weapons and AI Arms Race

    (45:32) Semiconductor Policy and AI Future

    (47:35) Slaughterbots, AI Control, and Trust-Building

    (50:18) Olive Branches and China's Leadership

    (51:52) Rand Corporation Report and Private Speeches

    (55:13) The Declining Barriers to Entry in Violence

    (58:48) Einstein Quote and Nuclear Weapons

    (1:00:36) Wrap

    ...more
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