Joanne Paul is a historian at the University of Sussex, author, and a go-to Tudor expert on YouTube. She tells Tyler she's drawn to the 16th century because it sits between the medieval and the modern, and because its paths not taken are a way of asking whether our own world had to turn out this way. Her biography Thomas More: A Life takes its subject in that spirit, refusing to reduce More to either martyr or monster.

Tyler and Joanne discuss how More influenced Erasmus, what to make of Utopia, why fear drove More's persecution of heretics, how Holbein's portraits of More and Cromwell differ, what movie depictions get wrong about More, how his execution was viewed at the time, how the Tudor period paved the way for Shakespeare and the scientific revolution, the surprising social mobility of the period, how the City of London governed itself and where that clashed with the Crown, Joanne's upbringing in Canada and what drew her to English history, what she thinks sits beneath a lot of Britain's current stagnation, the subject of her next book, and much more.

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Recorded February 19th, 2026.

This episode was made possible through the support of the John Templeton Foundation.

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Timestamps:

00:00:00 - Intro

00:03:42 - More's Utopia

00:10:50 - Whether More Should be Admired

00:13:39 - Play and Movie Adaptations of More

00:19:25 - English Catholicism as the Reformation Approaches

00:22:29 - Shakespeare and the Growth of Education

00:26:08 - The Quality of Tudor Art

00:27:24 - Tolerance and Social Mobility in 16th Century England

00:32:49 - London's Governance

00:34:23 - Canada

00:38:12 - Choosing English History to Study

00:41:23 - Touring and Living in England

00:43:06 - Religion, Politics, and Economics in the UK

00:49:32 - Outro