In this podcast episode, Justin and Robbie interview Joy Seward, a NOLS instructor and representative of RecPak. Joy shares her experience working for the National Outdoor Leadership School (NOLS) and guiding students on long-format wilderness courses. She explains the mission of NOLS and the importance of education, technical skills, and risk management in the outdoor industry. Joy also discusses her involvement with RecPak, a company that offers convenient and nutritious meal options for outdoor enthusiasts. She highlights the benefits of RecPak meals and the role they play in providing balanced nutrition during long expeditions.