Kerri Hartland leads Australia’s most secret organisation. She oversees our network of spies and intelligence officers as the first-ever female Director-General of the Australian Secret Intelligence Service (ASIS). But this highly-respected and accomplished leader has also had anything but a linear career path. In this episode, she speaks with FW's Helen McCabe about career pivots, keeping secrets and the three Cs that guide her leadership philosophy.

Plus, this season Helen McCabe is answering your leadership questions. Wait to the end of the episode to hear her take on public speaking. If you have any leadership dilemmas, send them her way by emailing [email protected]. 

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