Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

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Are we living through “American Carnage” the sequel, or Donald Trump’s “Golden Age”? This week, Ross and Carlos welcome back Lydia to take stock of the president’s first days in office and debate what his many norm-bending actions reveal about how he plans to govern.

Plus, Lydia starts an adventure in mediocrity.

(A full transcript of this episode will be available within 24 hours of publication on the Times website.)

Recommended in this episode:

  • “What I Learned When I Read 887 Pages of Project 2025” by Carlos Lozada

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