Leading Saints Podcast

Allison Schreiber is entering her seventh year as an early morning seminary teacher in New Braunfels, Texas—an experience she describes as one of the most joyful and spiritually-rich callings of her life. Fluent in German and Russian, Allison served in the Russia Moscow Mission before earning a bachelor of Fine Arts in Interior Design from Brigham Young University, along with certification in International Color Consulting. Her dedication to sacred spaces led her to intern with the Temple Construction department, contributing to the designing of temples in Houston, Boston, and Nauvoo.

A born leader and meticulous planner, Allison has worn many hats across decades of youth and community service, serving extensively in the Young Women organization. She’s chaired committees, organized record-breaking Boy Scouts of America district events, and served on BSA Woodbadge staff for three consecutive years after completing the prestigious leadership training herself. Whether designing a youth conference or directing a camporee, Allison brings creativity, discipline, and a touch of grace to every detail.

In her seminary classroom, Allison blends her vast experience with a personal mission: to make early morning Seminary not just bearable but transformational. Through intentional leadership moments and peer-supported learning, she cultivates a classroom culture where students feel empowered to plan, lead, and strengthen one another in faith.

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Highlights

Allison shares effective teaching strategies and principles that can enhance youth engagement in a seminary setting. She shares proven methods to encourage participation and create a lively learning environment. The conversation highlights the importance of making gospel connections and how thoughtful planning can help youth see the relevance of gospel teachings in their everyday lives.

Allison shares her approach to teaching, emphasizing the need to mix up learning methods to keep students engaged. She discusses the use of games, interactive activities, and creative resources, such as movie clips, to make lessons more relatable and exciting. She also touches on the significance of recognizing each student's voice and ensuring that everyone feels valued and included in the class.

Allison introduces the "EDGE" method—Explain, Demonstrate, Guide, and Enable—as a framework for teaching leadership skills to youth. She explains how this method empowers students to take charge of their learning and prepares them for future leadership roles. Allison shares practical examples of how she sets her students up for success, including organizing activities that foster teamwork and collaboration. She emphasizes the importance of loving and supporting youth, encouraging leaders to create an environment where students feel safe and motivated to participate.

03:15 - Allison's Background and Experience

04:29 - Seminary Class Structure and Student Engagement

05:20 - Testing Different Teaching Methods

06:45 - Balancing Fun and Gospel Learning

07:06 - Creating Meaningful Connections in Lessons

08:15 - Using Treats and Activities Purposefully

09:27 - Engaging All Students in Class

11:03 - Recognizing Individual Contributions

12:16 - Encouraging Participation from Reluctant Students

13:28 - Preparing for Youth Events like Trek

14:50 - Coordinating with Stake Leaders

16:05 - Advice for Future Leaders

18:12 - Making Gospel Connections in Daily Life

19:14 - Youth Epiphanies and Insights

20:21 - Mixing Up Learning Approaches

22:19 - Using Creative Resources for Lessons

25:07 - Incorporating Movie Clips for Engagement

26:43 - Setting Youth Up for Success

27:23 - Leadership Skills Development

29:29 - Model Ward Council Activity

31:40 - Final Thoughts on Youth Leadership

32:09 - The Importance of Love in Leadership

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

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This is a follow-up conversation. Listen to the first episode here.

Jeff Strong worked nearly 30 years in the consumer products industry as a senior executive at Procter & Gamble and global president and chief customer officer at Johnson & Johnson. He then taught in the Marriott School of Business at Brigham Young University and worked as an advisor to the Church before serving as a mission leader in the Arkansas Bentonville Mission. Jeff has since spent several years doing research on why people are leaving the Church. While not a professional researcher, his career involved a large amount of research and the research he shares in this podcast was done with the help of some of the top Latter-day Saint researchers in the world. Today, Jeff lives in Midway, Utah, and stays busy with a little lavender farm, some business consulting, and enjoying family.

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Slides: Tension From Our Differences

When Clapping Happens at Church | A How I Lead Interview with Devin Pope

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Highlights

Jeff Strong dives deeper into the complexities of faith and community. He explores the idea that while many church leaders may come from a similar mindset, the diversity of perspectives within the congregation is essential for a healthy community.

Jeff shares insights from a comprehensive study on disaffiliation and church experiences, highlighting the strengths and weaknesses of the church culture. He notes that while many members appreciate the community, service, and spiritual growth offered by the church, there are significant concerns about judgment, conformity, and exclusivity that can alienate individuals with differing beliefs or backgrounds.

Jeff and Kurt talk about the tension caused by differences, and Jeff illustrates how the natural human response to perceived threats often leads to conformity and exclusion. He discusses the importance of yielding to the Holy Spirit to navigate these tensions, rather than allowing fear to dictate responses.

A key part of the episode is the introduction of a segmentation model that categorizes Latter-day Saints into six belief mindsets: Seekers, Cultivators, Protectors, Avoiders, Connectors, and Explorers. Each segment is defined by its unique values and priorities, with Protectors making up a significant portion of church leadership. Jeff and Kurt discuss the implications of this model, emphasizing that a church comprised solely of one segment would lack the richness and diversity necessary for a thriving community.

Understanding these different mindsets can help church leaders foster a more inclusive environment that accommodates a broader range of beliefs and experiences. Jeff encourages listeners to embrace the complexities of faith and community, recognizing that the presence of tension can lead to growth and deeper understanding.

00:02:00 - Discussion on disaffiliation from the church

00:02:00 - Tension caused by differences

00:09:00 - Story of the kingfisher and magpies

00:12:00 - Strengths of church culture

00:14:00 - Weaknesses of church culture

00:21:00 - The concept of the "natural man"

00:26:00 - The role of a leader in navigating tension

00:30:00 - Introduction of six mindsets or "segments"

00:36:00 - The "Seekers" segment

00:37:00 - The "Cultivators" segment

00:38:00 - The "Protectors" segment

00:39:00 - The "Avoiders" segment

00:40:00 - The "Connectors" segment

00:42:00 - The "Explorers" segment

00:44:00 - The value of different segments

00:46:00 - Disconnect in leadership

00:48:00 - Historical context of leadership

00:52:00 - Blending leadership styles

01:04:00 - Jesus and Joseph Smith as examples of different mindsets

01:13:00 - Discussion of the Body of Christ from 1 Corinthians 12

01:23:00 - Story of a 100-year-old runner

01:33:00 - Concluding thoughts on a thriving church

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

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James Fletcher is the founder and chief investment officer of Ethos Investment Management, and has been investing professionally in emerging markets for 20 years. He is also the founder of the global non-profit Young Investors Society, which provides lessons to teens on investing and financial literacy in over 3,000 high schools and 80 countries around the world. James has a bachelor's degree in Finance from Brigham Young University and also teaches as a BYU adjunct professor in Finance. He has lived in a variety of places, from Boston to Brazil and Los Angeles to Hong Kong, and currently lives in Springville, Utah, with his wife and five children, where he serves as a bishop in the Hobble Creek Springville Utah Stake.

Links

Young Investors Society: YIS.org

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Highlights

James Fletcher shares his insights and experiences as a bishop and youth leader. He shares his approach to engaging with youth, highlighting the advice he received to focus on them while allowing other leaders to manage adult responsibilities. He discusses his passion for working with young people, which has been shaped by his background in youth mentorship and his founding of the Young Investor Society, an organization that teaches financial literacy and investment principles to high school students.

James emphasizes the importance of setting high expectations for youth while providing the necessary support and mentorship. He also discusses the significance of creating engaging and interactive experiences for youth, rather than simply delivering lessons. He shares how challenging youth with high expectations can lead to remarkable growth and engagement, citing examples from both his church leadership and his work with the Young Investor Society.

00:04:04 - First Impressions of Being a Bishop

James shares his experiences and feelings during the first months of his calling as bishop.

00:05:16 - Unique Ward Dynamics

Discussion about the unique characteristics of James's ward in Springville, Utah, including its diverse community.

00:06:57 - Approach to Engaging Youth

James explains his focus on youth and how he prioritizes their needs in his leadership role.

00:07:54 - Background in Youth Engagement

James discusses his history of working with youth and the founding of the Young Investor Society.

00:09:37 - Weekly Engagement with Youth

Insights into James's weekly activities and how he applies principles of mentorship and engagement with youth.

00:11:06 - Measuring Success as a Bishop

James shares advice on how to judge success in his role, emphasizing spiritual guidance.

00:12:00 - Personal Story of Mentorship

James recounts a meaningful experience with a young man named Zach and the impact of mentorship.

00:14:23 - Principles for Working with Youth

James discusses key principles for engaging and inspiring youth, including setting high expectations.

00:18:47 - Interactive Learning Experiences

The importance of interactive and challenging experiences for youth to keep them engaged.

00:21:10 - High Expectations and Support

James elaborates on the balance of high expectations and providing support to youth.

00:23:01 - Recognizing and Nurturing Gifts

The significance of helping youth recognize their gifts and potential.

00:30:54 - Real Love and Genuine Support

James emphasizes the importance of showing genuine love and support to youth in leadership.

00:36:21 - Young Investor Society Overview

Information about the Young Investor Society and how it supports youth in financial literacy.

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

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Dr. Benjamin Hardy is an organizational psychologist, author, and speaker known for his work on the psychology of exponential growth and transformation. He has mastered a highly unique form of strategic psychology and is known for his ability to rapidly scale companies to seemingly impossible levels. The author of several books and cofounder of his rigorous scaling company, Scaling.com, Benjamin helps companies scale 10x or more within three years. His innovative psychological and strategic frameworks are unlike anything else in business right now and are seeking to disrupt both the fields of psychology and business. Benjamin and his wife Lauren have seven children and live in Orlando.

Links

The Science of Scaling: Grow Your Business Bigger and Faster Than You Think Possible

Scaling.com/Audiobook

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Highlights

Benjamin introduces the idea that setting ambitious goals can lead to more effective pathways for growth. He explains that when organizations aim for significantly higher targets—such as a tenfold increase in growth—they are compelled to streamline their efforts and eliminate unnecessary complexities. This principle is particularly relevant for church leaders who may feel constrained by traditional metrics of success.

Benjamin emphasizes the importance of aligning daily actions with a higher purpose. He discusses the concept of "raising the floor," which refers to the necessity of letting go of lower standards and practices that no longer serve the organization's goals. By doing so, leaders can create a more focused and effective environment for achieving their objectives.

The conversation also delves into the psychological aspects of goal-setting, highlighting how the future should shape present actions rather than being dictated by past performance. He shares a compelling story about an audacious missionary baptism goal and how adjusting adjusting and filtering ultimately achieved the goal—illustrating the power of high aspirations and the need for leaders to be willing to say no to less-impactful activities.

Benjamin explores the challenges church leaders face in maintaining focus amidst competing priorities and discusses the tendency to add more initiatives rather than simplifying and prioritizing efforts. He encourages leaders to define clear, measurable goals that can guide their actions and decision-making processes, along with a call to embrace ambitious goals. By focusing on fewer, higher goals and raising their standards, leaders can unlock the potential within their wards and organizations, ultimately leading to greater success in their missions.

00:04:00 - Applying Scaling Principles to the Church

00:05:20 - The Goal Shapes the Path and System

00:05:50 - The Power of 10x Goals and Short Timelines

00:08:40 - Missionary Work as an Example of Scaling

00:10:50 - The Past and Future as Lenses for the Present

00:14:10 - Operating From the Goal, Not Toward It

00:14:40 - Raising the Floor and Saying No

00:15:30 - Blake's Missionary Experience and Filtering

00:19:40 - Overcoming the Influence of the Past in Organizations

00:21:50 - Simplicity vs. Complexity

00:23:10 - The Challenge of Too Many Goals in Church Councils

00:24:50 - Focusing on Key Priorities in Leadership

00:28:00 - Defining and Owning Roles in Church Leadership

00:28:50 - Understanding and Raising the Floor

00:31:30 - The Floor as a Standard of Accountability

00:33:30 - Avoiding Guilt from Too Many To-Dos

00:36:10 - Setting Clear, Numeric Goals

00:40:20 - The Future Shapes the Present

00:42:50 - Repentance and Reorienting Towards the Future

00:44:50 - Distancing from Past Self and Growth Mindset

00:48:50 - Measuring Impact and Qualitative vs. Quantitative Goals

00:53:00 - Accountability in Systems and Leadership

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

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This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally aired in March 2021.

Clint Pulver is an Emmy Award-winning, motivational keynote speaker, author, musician, and workforce expert. The president and founder of The Center for Employee Retention, Clint has transformed how corporations create lasting loyalty through his work and research as “The Undercover Millennial”. His book I Love It Here shares how extraordinary leaders create companies their people never want to leave, and in this interview he helps translate some of that wisdom into local leadership in the Church. Clint is currently serving as a bishop.

Links

I Love It Here: How Great Leaders Create Organizations Their People Never Want to Leave

clintpulver.com

Instagram @clintpulver

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Highlights

4:40 Writing a book with lots of research was a difficult project

7:35 Culture changes in different wards come down to leadership

9:00 Engagement is low due to the pandemic but we can change some things even now

10:20 "Let me know when it gets to the part about me": getting to the people in the gospel is what builds a stronger culture

13:25 Give them a reason to connect with you; make the little efforts to connect with people

15:30 "Who said the guy wanted a fish?" Ask people what they want; do more listening than talking

17:30 Traditional leadership vs. mentorship and personal connection

19:30 Four types of leaders

The leader who is removed

The buddy

The controller

The mentor

24:15 Do you have the right people in the right places?

27:25 When inviting someone to a calling, make an invitation, talk about the expectations, and look for some buy-in

31:10 Status interviews and the power of meeting regularly

Not a performance review

Three questions:

What can we do to keep you more engaged?

What's getting in the way of your success?

What can I do to help you get there?

35:15 Start with a check-in and vocal praise

37:00 Repeat back so they know they were heard and understood

Follow up on what you said you would do

Create a growth development plan with them

Invoke the help of other people and make it simpler for you

40:00 Core values and a vision: keep it simple and memorable

42:30 Reflective questions

Be open to feedback

The to-don't list

47:35 Story of the business leader who was open and vulnerable, leading to a sense of ownership for her employees

51:00 Look for inspiration through association and connection with other people

53:00 What do you offer that Google can't?

54:20 "I love who I am when I'm here"

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

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Monica Tanner is an RLT-trained relationship coach and host of the "Secrets of Happily Ever After" podcast. She transforms marriages with simple communication, connection, conflict resolution, and commitment strategies. Her mission is to lower the divorce rate and improve marital satisfaction. Through her podcast, social media community, couple’s coaching practice, and new book—Bad Marriage Advice, Monica has helped thousands of couples ditch resentment and roommate syndrome and get back to living their happily-ever-after love story. In the Church, Monica serves in the Young Women program with two of her daughters.

Links

MonicaTanner.com

Bad Marriage Advice: Debunking Myths That Will Make You Miserable and What To Do Instead

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Highlights

Monica shares insights on the importance of communication in marriage, noting that many couples express a need for help in this area. They discuss the dynamics of relationships, emphasizing that both partners must actively engage in the marriage to foster a healthy connection. The episode also touches on the stigma surrounding seeking help for marital issues within the Latter-day Saint community, where some may feel that divorce is not an option, leading to feelings of entrapment.

Monica explores common misconceptions about marriage, such as the idea that "happy couples never fight." They argue that conflict is a natural part of any relationship and that learning to navigate disagreements is crucial for growth. The discussion also addresses the problematic advice of "never go to bed angry," suggesting that sometimes it is healthier to take a break and revisit issues with a fresh perspective.

Throughout the episode, the importance of choice in marriage is emphasized. Monica encourages couples to view their relationship as a partnership where both individuals actively choose to be together, rather than feeling obligated due to covenants or societal expectations. They advocate for open communication and the necessity of seeking help when needed, highlighting that doing so is a sign of strength and commitment.

00:03:19 - Common Marriage Struggles

Monica discusses the prevalent issues couples face, particularly around communication and faith transitions.

00:04:54 - The Empty Nest Phenomenon

Exploration of the challenges couples face when their children leave home, leading to potential relationship reevaluation.

00:06:27 - Advice for Struggling Couples

Monica offers guidance for couples who feel tension in their marriage but may not have the resources for therapy.

00:08:34 - Unique Aspects of Latter-day Saint Marriages

Discussion on the stigma around seeking help for marriage issues within the Latter-day Saint culture.

00:10:55 - The Concept of Choice in Marriage

Exploration of how the perception of being "locked in" to a marriage can affect relationship dynamics.

00:12:22 - Agency and Choice in Relationships

Monica emphasizes the importance of making daily choices in marriage and the role of agency in relationships.

00:14:27 - The Importance of Communication

Discussion on the necessity of open communication in marriage and the dangers of complacency.

00:16:12 - Navigating Divorce Conversations

Insights on how church leaders can approach discussions about divorce and the importance of not feeling trapped.

00:18:10 - Infidelity and Marriage Recovery

Monica shares perspectives on how infidelity can sometimes lead to positive changes in a marriage.

00:20:22 - The Role of Church Leaders

Advice for church leaders on how to support couples in distress without overstepping their boundaries.

00:22:25 - Community Support in Marriage

The importance of community support and sharing experiences to help couples feel less isolated.

00:24:35 - The Reality of Marriage Dynamics

Discussion on the complexities of marriage and the need for both partners to actively engage in the relationship.

00:26:16 - The Atonement and Marriage

Exploration of how the doctrine of the Atonement relates to marriage and the possibility of finding happiness after divorce.

00:28:10 - The Importance of Seeking Help

Monica emphasizes that seeking help for marriage issues is a sign of strength and commitment.

00:30:19 - Debunking the Myth of Fighting

Discussion on the misconception that happy couples never fight and the importance of healthy conflict.

00:33:02 - Relationship Math in Marriage

Monica introduces the concept of "relationship math" and the importance of both partners showing up fully in a relationship.

00:35:02 - The Myth of Never Going to Bed Angry

Critique of the advice to never go to bed angry, emphasizing the need for rest and perspective in resolving conflicts.

00:39:18 - Contracting for Better Communication

Monica discusses the importance of contracting in communication to ensure both partners are ready to engage in discussions.

00:41:11 - Final Thoughts on Marriage Advice

Reflection on the need to reevaluate traditional marriage advice in light of modern understanding and individual experiences.

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

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This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally ran in September 2019.

Frank Layden was a beloved basketball coach and executive best known for his time with the Utah Jazz. While he achieved tremendous professional success—earning NBA Coach of the Year, Executive of the Year, and the J. Walter Kennedy Citizenship Award all in 1984—it was his warmth, humor, and larger-than-life personality that truly defined him. Known for his self-deprecating wit and quick one-liners, Layden brought levity to the game and was deeply respected by players, colleagues, and fans alike.

Beyond basketball, Layden was cherished for his kindness, community involvement, and ability to connect with people on a personal level. He had a gift for making others feel valued, often using laughter to lift those around him. Even in retirement, he remained a vibrant part of the Salt Lake City community. Frank Layden passed away on July 9, 2025, at the age of 93, leaving behind a legacy of leadership and compassion.

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Highlights

Early Experiences & Utah Transition

00:03:34 Involvement with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints; reflections on what President Thomas S. Monson said about him

00:05:24 How he ended up in Utah with the Jazz

00:09:03 First knowledge of and interactions with members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

00:10:15 Approach to sports and Utah’s culture: “What can we do to help here?” Focused on building relationships over highlighting differences.

Personal and Professional Philosophy

00:12:44 How he became a coach

- Belief that his family was meant to be in Utah

- Building the Jazz from a losing team into a contender

- Perspective on success: You won’t always succeed, and shouldn’t measure success by money. Prioritize doing what you love and service.

00:17:48 The Jazz’s efforts to help players and their families grow off the court:

- Wives club activities: fashion shows, making Christmas trees, supporting education

- Interfaith chapel service with Rev. France Davis and Pastor Jerry Lewis

- Bonuses for players who finished college degrees

Leadership & Team Management

00:20:10 When players feel coaches support them, they give their all.

00:22:37 Emphasis on making each player feel loved; daily question: “What can I do for you today?”

00:24:58 The importance of small things: punctuality, readiness, balancing authority and discipline

00:28:20 Players must believe in you, and you must believe in yourself.

- Understanding who needs motivation vs. encouragement

00:32:47 Establishing leadership: the team must know who leads

- “Winning is not a sometimes thing; it starts the first day of practice.”

Relationship-Building & Daily Culture

00:39:42 Building one-on-one connections with players

- Creating comfort for players to approach leadership

- Listening to them (examples include book club and shared reading)

- Encouraging professional appearance

- Mutual respect and adult treatment fosters loyalty

00:42:50 Players can sense if you enjoy your job.

Reflection on Faith & Community

00:48:22 How being part of Utah’s religious community enhanced his experience as a Catholic

00:53:04 Takeaways and Leadership Principles

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

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Dan Duckworth speaks, teaches, and writes on leadership, power, and systemic change. His forthcoming book, The Leader in Chains (spring 2026), challenges conventional ideas and calls for a radical rethinking of leadership—and how it is developed. You can read his Zion Leadership essays at danduckworth.substack.com or connect with him on LinkedIn.

Links

LeadingSaints.org/Zion

DanDuckworth.Substack.com

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Highlights

In this episode, Dan Duckworth engages in a thought-provoking discussion about the concept of Zion and its implications for leadership within the context of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He begins by addressing the common resistance to transformational leadership in church settings, noting that many members feel uncomfortable with the idea of change-making. Dan emphasizes that the principles of leadership are deeply rooted in scripture, particularly in the teachings of Jesus Christ.

He articulates the need for a "faithful vocabulary of leadership" that resonates with church members, moving away from secular leadership jargon that may not align with their beliefs. Dan challenges the traditional view of hierarchy in church leadership, asserting that God's ways are different from man's ways. He references the Doctrine and Covenants, specifically highlighting that in Zion, there shall be no king or ruler, suggesting that true leadership should not be about hierarchy but about unity and collaboration.

Dan elaborates on the idea that Zion is not merely a future state but a present social condition characterized by a people who are of one heart and one mind. He encourages listeners to reflect on their own communities—families, wards, and councils—asking whether they operate under a hierarchical structure or if they embody the principles of Zion. He argues that the work of building Zion requires breaking free from systemic forces that constrain behavior and perpetuate the status quo.

Dan also explains that leadership involves creating space for individuals to use their gifts and talents, rather than adhering strictly to established hierarchies. He emphasizes that leaders should discern the needs of their communities and empower others to step into leadership roles, regardless of formal titles or positions.

Dan shares a scriptural example from the Old Testament, recounting how Moses responded to the concerns of Joshua regarding unauthorized prophecy. Moses expresses a desire for all people to be prophets, highlighting the importance of recognizing and nurturing the gifts within the community. He contrasts this with the story of Aaron and Miriam, who are chastised for their desire to lead without the proper authority, illustrating the balance between recognizing divine gifts and maintaining order.

Dan underscores the significance of understanding the difference between appointed leaders and true leaders. He notes that a bishop, while holding an ecclesiastical role, may not necessarily be a leader in the transformative sense. Instead, he should act as a facilitator, allowing the gifts of others to flourish and ensuring that the community operates in alignment with God's mercies.

Dan concludes by addressing the challenges faced by those who feel called to lead in a Zion-like manner, particularly in the face of institutional resistance. He encourages listeners to be mindful of the timing and approach when implementing change, suggesting that leaders should work quietly and effectively to build Zion without drawing unnecessary attention or backlash from the established hierarchy. He emphasizes the importance of direct communication with the Lord to ensure that one's actions align with divine guidance, ultimately reinforcing the idea that building Zion is a collective effort that requires courage, discernment, and a willingness to embrace the messiness of community life.

00:05:08 - The Nature of Hierarchy in the Church

00:09:22 - Zion as a Present Goal vs. a Future Event

00:12:08 - Leadership in Zion

00:17:18 - The Role of Gifts and Discerning Leadership

00:23:25 - Distinction Between Ruler and Leader

00:28:13 - Ecclesiastical Work vs. Zion Building

00:29:54 - Anointed vs. Appointed Leaders

00:45:02 - Navigating Resistance and Subversive Building

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

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Angela Sturgeon has served in a variety of callings, including Sunday School teacher, Young Women first counselor, Relief Society counselor and secretary, Relief Society president, Primary Activity Days leader, and in Scouts. She most recently served as the stake Primary secretary and now as stake Primary president.

Angela earned an associate's degree in History and Political Science from Orange Coast College and after many years of balancing work, family, and part-time study, will be graduating in a few weeks with a bachelor's degree from Brigham Young University-Idaho. She worked as a flight attendant before retiring in 2022 and has since pursued her passion for encouraging and mentoring others, becoming a published best-selling author of How to Be Resilient for Turbulent Times and a TEDx speaker of the same title. She speaks regularly on resilience, faith, and purpose—inspiring audiences to rise with strength in the face of adversity.

Links

How to Be Resilient for Turbulent Times: 7 Guiding Resiliency Principles

How to be resilient for turbulent times | Angela Sturgeon | TEDxUSFSM

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Highlights

Angela shares her unique experiences and insights gained from her leadership role in a diverse and spread-out stake. She candidly discusses her initial challenges stepping into the role of stake Primary president without prior experience in a ward Primary presidency. Angela emphasizes the importance of building relationships and understanding the unique needs of each ward and branch within her stake. She shares key principles that guide her leadership approach:

Embracing Flexibility and Personal Growth: Angela speaks about the necessity of being adaptable in leadership, especially when faced with diverse needs across different wards. She emphasizes the importance of relying on Heavenly Father and being open to the Spirit to guide her decisions.

Fostering Spiritual Resilience: Drawing from her own life experiences, Angela discusses how spiritual resilience is crucial for both leaders and members. She shares personal stories of overcoming challenges and how this resilience can inspire others to keep moving forward in their faith.

Cultivating a Culture of Love and Growth: Angela stresses the importance of creating an environment where individuals feel loved and supported. She describes how building relationships with other leaders and members fosters a sense of community and encourages open dialogue about struggles and successes.

00:03:40 - Angela's Background and Move to Indiana

00:04:51 - Transition to Stake Primary President

00:05:49 - Initial Orientation in Leadership

00:07:10 - Navigating Leadership as a Convert

00:08:57 - Visiting Wards and Branches

00:09:48 - Scheduling Visits

00:10:45 - Personal Experiences and Challenges

00:12:23 - Building Relationships in Leadership

00:16:22 - Embracing Flexibility and Personal Growth

00:19:26 - Fostering Spiritual Resilience

00:25:54 - Cultivating a Culture of Love and Growth

00:30:47 - Windshield Time and Connection

00:32:27 - Unique Activities in the Stake

00:34:00 - Navigating Stake and Ward Dynamics

00:35:33 - Final Thoughts on Leadership and Love

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

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Kurt Francom reads this Brigham Young University devotional given by Elder Boyd K. Packer in 1996.

Listen to the podcast episode about this devotional and its influence on leadership culture in the Church.

Links

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Highlights

00:02:00 - The Importance of Teaching Basics

00:03:30 - The Foundation of Knowledge and Testimony

00:05:00 - Understanding the Unwritten Order of Things

00:06:30 - The Role of the Presiding Officer in Meetings

00:08:00 - Accepting Calls and Releases in the Church

00:09:30 - Learning from Experienced Leaders

00:11:00 - Seeking Counsel and Blessings

00:12:30 - The Vertical Nature of Revelation

00:14:00 - The Importance of Being a Good Follower

00:15:30 - Proper Order in Callings and Assignments

00:17:00 - Maintaining Dignity in Meetings

00:18:30 - The Role of the Bishop in Meetings

00:20:00 - Learning Through Observation and Experience

00:21:30 - The Power of the Ordinary Saints

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

Discover podcasts, articles, virtual conferences, and live events related to callings such as the bishopric, Relief Society, elders quorum, Primary, youth leadership, stake leadership, ward mission, ward council, young adults, ministering, and teaching.