Leading Saints Podcast

Ernest Lee Davis, a native of Los Angeles, California, spent most of his life there before earning an athletic scholarship to the University of Idaho, where he graduated with a Bachelor of Science in Communications. He earned his MBA from Western Governors University and will finish his Doctorate in Philosophy of Leadership with an emphasis on Servant-Leadership from Gonzaga University this year. Ernest has worked as a finish manager/leader in the aerospace industry for over 15 years at Skills Inc., a nonprofit organization that partners with The Boeing Company. He has dedicated his career to creating meaningful opportunities for persons with disabilities and other marginalized groups, encouraging an inclusive and diverse workforce.

A devoted follower of Jesus Christ, Ernest joined the Church in 2005 and is committed to living the Savior’s teachings and sharing his personal story of resilience. He is the author of the best-selling book Leading in the Lord’s Way: A Journey of Servant Leadership, and I Am Aye Child of God. At church, he has served as a member of his stake high council and currently as stake Young Men first counselor. Ernest and his wife, Ruth, have three children and live in Puyallup, Washington.

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Leading in the Lord's Way: A Journey of Servant Leadership

I am Aye Child of God

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Summary

Ernest explores servant leadership principles and shares insights from his personal journey, emphasizing the importance of empathy, stewardship, and building a beloved community.

Key Insights

Servant Leadership: Ernest emphasizes the concept of leading through service, drawing on his experiences and the teachings of the gospel. He intertwines personal stories with leadership principles to illustrate how effective leadership is rooted in empathy and understanding.

Empathy: Understanding others' perspectives is crucial for effective leadership. Ernest shares examples of how empathy can help leaders connect with individuals from diverse backgrounds and support them in overcoming their challenges.

Stewardship: Leaders are responsible for nurturing the talents and potential of those they serve. Ernest encourages leaders to recognize their stewardship over individuals in their communities and to cultivate their growth.

Beloved Community: The idea of Zion as a beloved community is central to Ernest's message. He advocates for inclusivity and acceptance, stressing the importance of making everyone feel welcome and valued within the church.

Diversity in Leadership: Ernest highlights the need for diverse representation in leadership roles to better serve marginalized communities and to foster a more inclusive environment within the church.

Leadership Applications

Fostering Empathy: Latter-day Saint leaders can practice empathy by actively listening to the experiences of those they serve, which can help build trust and understanding within their communities.

Cultivating Talents: Leaders should focus on identifying and nurturing the unique talents of individuals in their wards, creating opportunities for them to contribute and grow.

Building Inclusive Communities: By promoting a sense of belonging and acceptance, leaders can create a welcoming environment that encourages participation from all members, regardless of their background or circumstances.

Highlights

00:03:17 - Inspiration for Writing the Book

Ernest shares what inspired him to write "Leading in the Lord's Way."

00:04:03 - Early Life and Challenges

Ernest discusses his upbringing, homelessness, and the journey to college football.

00:05:07 - Meeting the Missionaries

How Ernest first encountered the missionaries and his initial experience with the Book of Mormon.

00:06:32 - Knee Injury and Finding the Covenant Path

The impact of Ernest's knee injury on his life and how it led him to baptism.

00:06:43 - Leadership Aspirations

Discussion on Ernest's aspirations in football and leadership during his college years.

00:07:41 - Influential Coach

The role of Coach Washington in Ernest's life and how he helped him and his brother.

00:10:11 - Journey to the University of Idaho

Ernest's transition to college football and the support he received.

00:11:42 - Servant Leadership and Community Impact

Ernest's focus on servant leadership and uplifting marginalized communities.

00:13:11 - Advice for Church Leaders

Suggestions on how church leaders can support marginalized groups.

00:15:49 - Importance of Representation

The significance of diversity in church leadership and outreach.

00:18:01 - Influential Figures in Ernest's Life

Discussion of various mentors and role models who shaped Ernest's journey.

00:20:26 - Ten Principles of Servant Leadership

Overview of the ten characteristics of servant leadership discussed in Ernest's book.

00:23:59 - Stewardship

Exploration of stewardship and the responsibility of leaders to cultivate talents.

00:24:59 - Beloved Community

The concept of Zion as a beloved community and the importance of inclusivity.

00:25:50 - Empathy in Leadership

The role of empathy in understanding and supporting others.

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the Zion Lab community. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

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In this podcast episode, Kurt Francom and Dan Duckworth discuss the importance of addressing community tragedies within Latter-day Saint congregations. They explore how leaders can create spaces for healing and connection during difficult times, emphasizing the role of vulnerability and unity in fostering a supportive church environment.

Dan Duckworth speaks, teaches, and writes on leadership, power, and systemic change. His forthcoming book, The Leader in Chains (spring 2026), challenges conventional ideas and calls for a radical rethinking of leadership—and how it is developed.

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Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Overview

Perception of Community Needs: Leaders should be attuned to the emotional climate of their congregations, recognizing when community tragedies impact members. This awareness can guide appropriate responses.

Risk of Vulnerability: Addressing difficult topics in church settings can feel risky, but it is essential for fostering genuine connections and healing. Leaders should embrace this risk to create a supportive environment.

Purpose of Church: The church serves not only as a place for learning doctrine but also as a community for healing and support. Engaging in open discussions about current events can strengthen faith and unity.

Creating Safe Spaces: Leaders can facilitate discussions that allow members to express their feelings and experiences, promoting emotional processing and community bonding.

Driving the Hope Train: Leaders should focus on instilling hope and directing conversations toward Christ's teachings, using scriptural stories to provide comfort and guidance during challenging times.

Leadership Applications

Fostering Open Dialogue: Leaders can initiate conversations about current events or tragedies, encouraging members to share their feelings and experiences. This can be done through structured discussions or informal check-ins.

Building Trust and Safety: By consistently creating a culture of vulnerability and support, leaders can ensure that members feel safe to express their emotions and seek help when needed.

Integrating Healing into Meetings: Leaders can incorporate discussions of community challenges into regular meetings, ensuring that spiritual teachings are connected to real-life experiences, thus reinforcing the church's role as a healing community.

Highlights

06:16 - Institutional vs. Leadership Responses

08:13 - Personal Experience of Grief

10:10 - The Purpose of Church in Times of Crisis

12:32 - The Role of Perception in Leadership

14:01 - A Personal Story of Compassion

16:17 - The Risk of Addressing Difficult Topics

17:41 - The Importance of Community Healing

19:12 - Audience Engagement and Reactions

20:00 - Navigating Political Sensitivities

22:08 - Creating a Safe Space for Discussion

23:37 - The Role of Vulnerability in Unity

25:32 - Addressing the Fear of Group Therapy

27:30 - Driving the Hope Train

30:06 - Preparing the Elders Quorum for Discussion

31:15 - The Impact of Leadership Culture

33:11 - Fulfilling the Purpose of Elders Quorum

38:14 - The Value of Risk in Leadership

40:00 - Living Life Together in Church

42:43 - The Dangers of Hypocrisy in Worship

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the Zion Lab community. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

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Golden Lund holds three degrees in music from the University of Utah, Indiana University and the University of Nebraska. He is currently a music instructor at St. Ambrose University in Davenport, Iowa, where he helps direct the marching band, pep band, and teaches tuba and other brass instruments. He also performs regularly on the tuba with a semi-professional orchestra in Lincoln, Nebraska.

Golden was recently released as a bishop and served in several leadership capacities previously including elders quorum president, high priest group leader, Young Men president, and on his stake high council. Golden and his wife Sandy have been married for 17 years and are the proud parents of two children—a daughter and son who are 12-year-old twins and amaze them every day.

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Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

In this episode of the Leading Saints podcast, Kurt interviews Golden, a former bishop from Bettendorf, Iowa, who shares his experiences and insights from his five-year tenure in leadership during the challenging times of the COVID-19 pandemic. The conversation focuses on mental health, vulnerability in leadership, and the importance of community support.

Key Insights:

Mental Health Awareness: Golden discusses his struggles with mental health, particularly during a significant crash after a year and a half of service. He emphasizes the importance of seeking help and the positive impact of counseling and medication.

Vulnerability in Leadership: By sharing his personal challenges with his ward, Golden fostered a culture of openness, encouraging others to share their struggles and creating a supportive environment.

The Sariah Factor: Golden introduces the concept of the Sariah Factor, highlighting the need for leaders to trust their perspective and discernment, even when others may not understand the decisions being made.

Delegation and Empowerment: He shares how he empowered his ward leaders, such as the Relief Society and Elders Quorum presidents, to take on responsibilities, which helped alleviate his workload and fostered a sense of ownership among leaders.

Community Support: Golden underscores the importance of community, noting that members often overlook the challenges faced by their leaders. Simple expressions of gratitude can significantly uplift those in leadership roles.

Leadership Applications:

Encourage Open Communication: Leaders should create an environment where members feel comfortable sharing their struggles, which can strengthen community bonds and support.

Prioritize Mental Health: Leaders should recognize the importance of mental health and seek help when needed, setting an example for others to do the same.

Empower Others: By delegating responsibilities and trusting ward leaders, bishops can manage their workload more effectively while fostering leadership skills in others, ultimately benefiting the entire ward.

05:32 - Calling as Bishop During COVID-19

07:18 - Navigating Early Days as Bishop

08:58 - Demographics of the Ward

10:45 - Reflection on Serving as Bishop

11:19 - Responsibilities of a Bishop

15:43 - Challenges and Overwhelm in Leadership

17:00 - Mental Health Struggles and Support

20:05 - Finding Help and Guidance

21:57 - The Importance of Vulnerability in Leadership

30:02 - Opening Up to the Ward About Struggles

33:44 - The Sariah Factor in Leadership Decisions

38:21 - Examples of Leadership Challenges

49:02 - The Messiness of Revelation in Leadership

51:19 - Normalizing Struggles in Leadership

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the Zion Lab community. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

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Curtis Morley is an author, coach, speaker, and "emotionologist" who has been an entrepreneur for most of his life. He is the author of The Entrepreneur's Paradox, a Wall Street Journal bestseller. He also has a forthcoming book titled Counterfeit Emotions. His work focuses on helping people, including entrepreneurs, with personal development and growth. He has founded multiple companies and worked with many Fortune 100 businesses. He has also been recognized with awards such as Entrepreneur of the Year and has been included in the Inc. 500/5000 Hall of Fame.

Morley's work and speaking engagements often center on the concept of "counterfeit emotions"—feelings that may seem authentic but can lead to destructive cycles of disconnection. He has developed a framework to help people identify and replace these emotions with authentic ones to live a more fulfilling life.

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The Entrepreneur's Paradox: How to Overcome the 16 Pitfalls Along the Startup Journey

CounterfeitEmotions.com/recovery

RecoveryNotSobriety.com

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Highlights

Curtis focuses on the myths surrounding pornography addiction. The discussion emphasizes the distinction between sobriety and recovery, exploring how understanding emotions can lead to more effective healing.

Key Insights

Sobriety vs. Recovery: Sobriety measures how long one can abstain from pornography, while recovery focuses on understanding and processing underlying emotions. True recovery involves addressing the root causes rather than merely avoiding the behavior.

Myth of Willpower: Overcoming pornography addiction is not solely about willpower. Many individuals struggle with deeper emotional issues that drive their behaviors, making it essential to address these emotions rather than just the actions.

Shame vs. Guilt: Guilt can be a motivating emotion that encourages individuals to make amends, while shame leads to disconnection and despair. Understanding this distinction is crucial for effective recovery.

Connection and Community: Building connections and fostering community can significantly aid recovery. Isolation often exacerbates addiction, while supportive relationships can provide the necessary encouragement and accountability.

The Importance of Processing Emotions: Curtis introduces the "whole" method for processing emotions, which includes witnessing emotions, harmonizing through breathing, opening the mind to triggers, leading one's life, and editing the meaning of past experiences.

Leadership Applications

Creating Safe Spaces: Latter-day Saint leaders can foster environments where individuals feel safe to discuss their struggles with pornography and other issues without fear of judgment, encouraging open dialogue.

Focus on Emotional Health: Leaders should prioritize understanding the emotional triggers behind behaviors rather than just addressing the behaviors themselves. This approach can lead to more meaningful support and healing.

Encouraging Community Support: Leaders can facilitate peer support groups or mentorship programs that promote connection among members, helping individuals feel less isolated in their struggles and more empowered in their recovery journey.

00:02:15 - Understanding Sobriety vs. Recovery

00:06:49 - The Difference Between Sobriety and Recovery

00:09:06 - Emotional Triggers and Leadership

00:10:08 - The Myth of Sobriety

00:12:12 - Transformational Recovery

00:13:27 - Sobriety is Miserable, Recovery is Peaceful

00:15:02 - Taking Your Demons to Lunch

00:18:08 - Addiction to Shame

00:19:09 - Addressing the Root Causes

00:20:21 - The Loop of Shame and Addiction

00:22:36 - Guilt vs. Shame

00:24:06 - Identifying and Surfacing Demons

00:26:44 - The Importance of Connection

00:29:34 - The Role of Community in Recovery

00:30:17 - The Whole Method Explained

00:36:21 - Overview of the Myths

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the Zion Lab community. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

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Jeff Burningham grew up in Spokane, Washington, served a mission in Charlotte, North Carolina, and attended Brigham Young University. A serial entrepreneur, Jeff has founded multiple companies in real estate technology and venture capital. He has also served in various church callings, including as a bishop and in a stake presidency. Jeff is a father of four, a proud grandfather, and the author of The Last Book Written by a Human: Becoming Wise in the Age of AI.

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The Last Book Written by a Human: Becoming Wise in the Age of AI

Stepping Up to Leadership Opportunities | An Interview with Jeff Burningham

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Highlights

Jeff discusses his book, emphasizing the importance of human wisdom in a world increasingly dominated by artificial intelligence. He argues that while AI can enhance efficiency, it cannot replace the essence of human connection and community. He encourages church leaders to focus on being rather than doing, fostering genuine relationships within their congregations. The conversation explores how disruption, reflection, transformation, and evolution shape both personal and collective journeys in the age of AI. Jeff highlights the need for leaders to embrace change with love and grace, ultimately guiding their communities toward deeper connections and understanding.

00:03:49 - Jeff's Background

Jeff shares his personal background, including his entrepreneurial journey and church leadership experience.

00:06:17 - The Essence of the Book

Exploration of the book's focus on human wisdom versus AI capabilities.

00:07:45 - The Risks of AI

Discussion on the potential dangers of outsourcing humanity to machines.

00:09:56 - AI and Religion

The impact of AI on religious practices and the importance of human connection.

00:10:14 - Disruption, Reflection, Transformation, Evolution

Overview of the book's structure and the significance of each section.

00:12:02 - Reforming Religion in the Age of AI

The need for religious organizations to adapt to the challenges posed by AI.

00:14:11 - Community Experience in Sunday School

Reframing the Sunday School experience as a community-building opportunity rather than just knowledge transfer.

00:16:00 - The Importance of Human Connection

Emphasizing the need for genuine human interaction in a technology-driven world.

00:21:07 - Bringing Being into Doing

Encouragement for leaders to focus on their presence and authenticity in interactions.

00:23:16 - The Role of AI in Church

Discussion on how AI can be used as a tool without replacing the human element in lessons and talks.

00:30:29 - Pattern Breakers

The significance of individuals who challenge norms and encourage growth within communities.

00:34:50 - Disruption as a Constant

Understanding disruption as a natural part of life and leadership.

00:40:10 - Reflection After Disruption

The importance of taking time to reflect on disruptions and learn from them.

00:46:22 - Transformation Through Reflection

How reflection leads to personal and collective transformation in the face of change.

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the Zion Lab community. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

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Matt Miles is a Political Science professor at Brigham Young University–Idaho and a co-host of This Week in Mormons and the Latter-day Lens podcasts.

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The Latter-day Lens podcast

This Week in Mormons

The Metrics of Faith: Rethinking Religion's Role in US Politics

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Highlights

This discussion centers on a research-backed framework for measuring religiosity, moving beyond traditional metrics to focus on the transformative effects of faith on an individual's life.

Beyond the Three B's: Traditionally, religiosity has been measured by "the three B's": Behavior (what a person does), Belonging (their social connections), and Belief (their convictions). Matt Miles argues that these are insufficient measures of genuine faith.

The Fourth B: Becoming: A more accurate measure is "religious becoming"—the extent to which a person has been transformed by their faith. This concept suggests that true religiosity is not just about actions but about internal change.

Four Aspects of Transformation: Based on his research, Miles identified four universal traits that indicate "religious becoming": Transcendence (a connection to the divine), Humanity (love for others), Justice (a belief in fairness), and Temperance (humility).

Faith and Political Tolerance: The research shows that individuals with higher scores in "religious becoming" are more politically tolerant. They are less likely to view those with opposing political views as a threat, in contrast to those whose faith is measured only by the "three B's."

Challenges of Genuine Change: The episode highlights the difficulty for leaders and parents in discerning whether someone has truly been transformed by the gospel or is simply going through the motions.

Leadership Applications

Leaders should focus on teaching a "holistic gospel" that emphasizes the principles of "becoming," rather than just providing a checklist of behaviors. This encourages genuine internal change over external compliance.

The discussion suggests that the Church is effective at teaching "transcendence" (connection to God) but could improve at teaching "humanity" (love for others) and "temperance" (humility). Leaders can apply this insight by creating more opportunities for members to serve others and develop empathy.

The research on political tolerance can help leaders foster more charitable and understanding discussions within their wards and stakes, particularly on sensitive topics.

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the Zion Lab community. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

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Blair Treu is an award-winning director whose work includes a variety of feature films, television shows, documentaries, and commercials for over 30 years—from The Power Rangers to Chicken Soup for the Soul. The writer and director of Sharing Aloha and Meet the Mormons, he graduated from Brigham Young University with a bachelor's degree in Theatre and began his career at the Walt Disney Company. More recently, Blair worked with BYUtv to create the series Real Families, Real Answers, and was a co-director of Granite Flats.

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Get movie tickets and details at sharingalohathemovie.com

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Highlights

The film Sharing Aloha, directed by Blair Treu, highlights the inspiring stories of students at the Polynesian Cultural Center and their transformative experiences. Blair shares how he became involved with the project, and discusses the unique challenges of capturing the students' stories, emphasizing their resilience and strong family ties. The film aims to showcase the students' journeys, illustrating how the PCC provides them with opportunities for education and personal growth.

Throughout the conversation, Blair reflects on leadership principles learned from working with the students and the PCC staff. He highlights the importance of appreciation and compassion in leadership, drawing parallels to church leadership.

00:01:52 - Introducing Sharing Aloha

Introduction to the film "Sharing Aloha" and its connection to the Polynesian Cultural Center.

00:03:44 - The Genesis of Sharing Aloha

Blair Treu discusses how the project came to be and the inspiration behind it.

00:04:55 - The Abundance of Stories

The challenge of selecting which stories to tell from the many available.

00:06:47 - Blair Treu's Background

Blair shares his experience and previous projects in film and media.

00:08:44 - The Polynesian Cultural Center

Discussion about the PCC and its significance in the film.

00:10:43 - Focus on Student Stories

The decision to center the film on the students' experiences rather than the PCC's history.

00:12:14 - Insights on the YSA Demographic

What Blair learned about the Young Single Adult demographic through the film.

00:13:37 - Cultural Connections

The importance of family and community in Polynesian culture.

00:16:42 - The Film's Format

Comparison of "Sharing Aloha" to "Meet the Mormons" in terms of storytelling.

00:18:18 - Funding and Support

Details on how the film was funded and its relationship with the PCC.

00:20:38 - Addressing Criticism

Discussion on the misconceptions and criticisms surrounding the PCC.

00:22:39 - The Value of Work

The benefits students receive from working at the PCC compared to other jobs.

00:24:36 - Leadership in Performance

Insights into how the PCC manages its performances and trains students.

00:30:14 - Leadership Lessons from Film Production

Blair shares leadership principles learned from directing the film.

00:35:16 - The Importance of Appreciation

The significance of recognizing and valuing team members in leadership.

00:38:53 - Final Thoughts on the Film

Encouragement to support the film and its impact on the PCC.

00:40:41 - Personal Growth Through the Project

How working on "Sharing Aloha" has strengthened Blair's faith and understanding of community.

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the Zion Lab community. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

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This episode features a portion of a live stream discussion that took place in Zion Lab, where we explored the dynamics of delegation within bishoprics and youth leadership. Zion Lab is a welcoming space to discuss what you’re learning in your calling, share best practices and helpful resources, connect with others, and strengthen your ministry. Everyone is invited. Whether you’re new to your calling or have years of experience, your insights and questions are welcome.

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Highlights

A key theme of the conversation is the unspoken pressure that bishops feel as the figureheads of their wards. We address the anxiety that arises when programs falter or activities do not meet expectations, and how this can lead to a reluctance to delegate responsibilities. The discussion emphasizes the importance of setting clear expectations when extending callings, ensuring that leaders understand not just their tasks but also the vision behind their roles.

Listeners will hear insights from various participants who share their experiences and strategies for effective delegation. We also touch on the broader responsibilities of bishops beyond youth leadership, including the importance of collaboration with elders quorum and Relief Society presidents. The conversation reveals how effective delegation can alleviate the burden on bishops and enhance the overall functioning of the ward. We encourage bishops to give themselves grace, acknowledging that they cannot do everything and that the Lord will take care of His children.

00:02:18 - Delegation in Leadership

Exploration of the dynamics of delegation within bishoprics and youth leadership.

00:03:25 - Setting Expectations for Callings

The importance of clearly communicating expectations when extending callings to leaders.

00:04:46 - Meeting People Where They Are

The value of personal check-ins and understanding individual stories in leadership.

00:06:33 - Focusing on the Rising Generation

Discussion on the responsibilities of bishops towards the youth and the broader rising generation.

00:07:50 - Delegating to Elders Quorum and Relief Society

Insights on how to effectively delegate responsibilities to adult leaders in the ward.

00:09:59 - Prioritizing Youth Responsibilities

Bishops share their experiences and challenges in managing youth-related responsibilities.

00:10:30 - Understanding Repentance

Discussion on the bishop's role in the repentance process and how it can be delegated.

00:12:39 - Positive Reinforcement in Leadership

The impact of recognizing and reinforcing good behaviors among leaders and members.

00:13:25 - Parental Involvement in Teaching

Conversations about the role of parents in teaching youth about important topics.

00:15:32 - Training Parents to Teach

Efforts to equip parents with the skills to teach their children effectively.

00:17:27 - Bishop's Fireside Discussions

Plans for bishop's firesides to address important topics with youth and parents.

00:19:57 - Youth Leading Discussions

Empowering youth to lead discussions on sensitive topics during meetings.

00:21:07 - Encouragement for Overwhelmed Bishops

Advice and encouragement for bishops feeling overwhelmed by their responsibilities.

00:27:03 - The Lord's Church and Grace

Reminders that it is the Lord's church and that grace is sufficient for all leaders.

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

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Skylar Haws has dedicated over a decade to serving youth in various church callings, including Young Men's President and Priest Quorum Advisor. He has also taught early morning seminary and worked as a youth Sunday School teacher. Skylar's passion for youth leadership stems from his own experiences and a desire to help young men grow spiritually and personally. He resides in Saratoga Springs with his family, where he balances his church responsibilities with work and family life.

Links

Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

Skylar emphasizes the importance of meeting young men where they are. He discusses the value of building relationships and creating meaningful experiences through high adventure activities. Skylar highlights the significance of pushing youth to embrace challenges while connecting their experiences back to Christ. He also addresses the dynamics of planning activities, engaging parents, and fostering a supportive environment for all young men, regardless of their individual circumstances.

04:00 - Skylar's Background in Youth Leadership

05:00 - Advice for New Young Men's Leaders

06:00 - Meeting Youth Where They Are

08:00 - The Power of Sacrifice in Youth Leadership

11:00 - Creating Spiritual Impact in High Adventure Activities

13:00 - Planning High Adventure Activities

18:00 - Engaging Boys in Planning and Preparation

22:00 - Handling Low Attendance at Activities

25:00 - The Importance of Relationships in Leadership

30:00 - Balancing Leadership with Family and Work

32:00 - Thematic and Dramatic Elements in Activities

35:00 - Service Opportunities and Miracles

40:00 - Managing Challenges During Activities

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

Discover podcasts, articles, virtual conferences, and live events related to callings such as the bishopric, Relief Society, elders quorum, Primary, youth leadership, stake leadership, ward mission, ward council, young adults, ministering, and teaching.

Listen in to this livestream conversation from the Leading Saints Zion Lab, and help build a stronger Sunday School community! Zion Lab is a welcoming space to discuss what you’re learning in your calling, share best practices and helpful resources, and connect with other presidencies and strengthen your ministry. Everyone is invited. Whether you’re new to your calling or have years of experience, your insights and questions are welcome.

Links

Creating a Transformational Sunday School | An Interview with Dan Duckworth

Church News: "What to know about teacher council meetings for parents"

Teaching General Conference

Teaching Restored

Maxwell Institute Come Follow Me resources

Stimulating More Personal Revelation in Your Ward With the Gospel Library App | An Interview with Richard Bernard

The Covenant Path podcast

Involving Women in Sunday School Leadership | An Interview with Garret Shields & Monica Fell

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Zion Lab Community

Highlights

This conversation comes from a recent Zion Lab community livestream focused on Sunday School presidencies. This informal gathering allowed participants to share their experiences, best practices, and challenges related to their callings. We discussed the purpose of Sunday School, the dynamics of teaching council meetings, and how to effectively engage parents and teachers in the learning process. We also explored the challenges of organizing teacher council meetings, with participants sharing their successes and struggles in getting attendance and fostering meaningful discussions.

Join the Leading Saints community at LeadingSaints.org/Zion for the full, unedited conversation and to continue engaging in these important discussions. We recognize that leadership in the Church can be isolating, but through collaboration and shared experiences, we can uplift and support one another in our callings. Join us as we explore these vital topics and work together to enhance our leadership skills and strengthen our communities.

00:04:46 - Joshua's Experience as Bishop

Joshua discusses his experience as a bishop and his feelings of uncertainty in his Sunday School presidency role.

00:05:59 - Martha's Transformation as a Teacher

Martha shares how a podcast influenced her approach as a Gospel Doctrine teacher.

00:06:40 - Chris's Missionary Work and Goals

Chris talks about his work in the addiction recovery program and his vision for church-led meetings.

00:08:48 - Teacher Council Meetings Discussion

Participants discuss the effectiveness and challenges of teacher council meetings.

00:10:51 - DJ's Insights on Teacher Councils

DJ shares strategies for making teacher council meetings more effective and engaging.

00:12:56 - Brent's Perspective on Sunday School

Brent discusses the importance of Sunday School and the challenges of engagement.

00:16:21 - Jeff's Experience with Parent Councils

Jeff shares his experience with parent councils and the feedback received from their first meeting.

00:19:25 - Matt's Thoughts on Transitioning Teaching

Matt discusses the challenges of transitioning from traditional teaching methods to more interactive approaches.

00:23:16 - Brent's Approach to Teaching Nuggets

Brent emphasizes the importance of providing memorable takeaways for students to discuss at home.

00:26:20 - DJ's Success with Parent Councils

DJ shares insights on the success of parent councils in fostering open discussions among parents.

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

Discover podcasts, articles, virtual conferences, and live events related to callings such as the bishopric, Relief Society, elders quorum, Primary, youth leadership, stake leadership, ward mission, ward council, young adults, ministering, and teaching.