Happy October! All month long we will be sharing MLM Horror stories, from creepy cults to literal murder. Join us every Sunday with bonus episodes on Wednesday!

*CW: This episode talks about a murder, describes crime scenes and the state of the victims involved. There are also mentions of mental health, outrageous health claims, mental illness and suicide. Please use discretion when listening.*

Back in 1999, a supplement was created that claimed to be the cure for mental illness called EMPower Plus. It had rave reviews by devotees, and even became the star in an MLM product lineup. But when the Ramsay family decided to wean their son off his medication, in favor of a megadose of this miracle "cure all" vitamin, they never expected the tragic outcome.

Have a story to share? Email me! [email protected]

Show Notes:

EMPower Plus Q96 vs Thrivous Clarity - https://thrivous.com/blogs/views/99474945-q-sciences-empowerplus-q96-vs-thrivous-clarity

Q Max Premium - https://qsciences.com/products/q-max-premium

"Crazy Pills" A Utah multilevel-marketing company has a multivitamin to "fix" your mental illness - https://www.cityweekly.net/utah/crazy-pills/Content?oid=2305592

Mentally ill killer tried vitamin therapy, court told - https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/mentally-ill-killer-tried-vitamin-therapy-court-told-1.1141861

Mentally ill man not criminally responsible for murdering father - https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/mentally-ill-man-not-criminally-responsible-for-murdering-father-1.1147589

The Epicenter For Get-Rich-Quick Schemes - https://economichardship.org/2015/06/how-utah-became-a-bizarre-blissful-epicenter-for-get-rich-quick-schemes/

The Lawyers, Court and family agree Jordan Ramsay is Not Criminally Responsible, Review Board will decide his fate - http://www.timslaw.ca/tag/donald-ramsay/

Truth in Advertising - Q Sciences - https://truthinadvertising.org/articles/q-sciences/

DSSRC refers Q Sciences to FTC/AG - https://bbbprograms.org/media-center/newsroom/q-sciences-health-and-earnings-claims

North Vancouver man believed his father was 'supernatural entity' - https://www.nsnews.com/local-news/north-vancouver-man-believed-his-father-was-supernatural-entity-2916584

Science Says: Q Sciences Supplements Do More Harm Than Good - https://www.brittanymorgon.com/blog/q-sciences-supplements-do-more-harm-than-good

Cultish by Amanda Montell - https://amzn.to/3Q7owx9

Dr. Steven Hassan's BITE Model - https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/

Ponzinomics by Robert L. FitzPatrick - https://amzn.to/3q16oJb

How can you help?

Report false income and health claims here: https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/

Or go to: https://www.truthinadvertising.org

You can also report to your state Attorney General's office! https://www.naag.org/find-my-ag/

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Happy October! All month long we will be sharing MLM Horror stories, from creepy cults to literal murder. Join us every Sunday with bonus episodes on Wednesday!

*CW - This episode features discussions about mental illness and toxic diet culture. We talk about mental health, disordered eating, binge eating disorder, and fatphobia. Please use discretion when listening.*

Ella Kruczynska just wanted to document her health and weight loss journey on Instagram and maybe help a few people along the way. At first she was happy to find a community where she felt valued and welcomed, but when she was inundated with the same messages from different women proclaiming how amazing she was, how great she looked and how their miracle products could help her even more, she got suspicious. Ella didn't know what an MLM was, or why she needed these expensive shakes, but it wasn't until she couldn't take the harassment any longer that she looked deeper and started connecting the dots.

Show Notes:

Follow Ella on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ellakruczynska/

DARVO - https://www.narcissisticabuserehab.com/darvo/#:~:text=DARVO%20is%20a%20smokescreen%20used,person%20into%20confusion%20and%20silence.

The Trouble with Calories - https://open.spotify.com/episode/77OLCDFtxmJFF7WjW3XTw0?si=61p4QqdBSI6QCBGLd3kJUA&nd=1

The Calorie Myth - https://elemental.medium.com/the-calorie-myth-f9e5248daa0c

Cultish by Amanda Montell - https://amzn.to/3Q7owx9

Dr. Steven Hassan's BITE Model - https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/

Ponzinomics by Robert L. FitzPatrick - https://amzn.to/3q16oJb

How can you help?

Report false income and health claims here: https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/

Or go to: https://www.truthinadvertising.org

You can also report to your state Attorney General's office! https://www.naag.org/find-my-ag/

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Happy October! All month long we will be sharing MLM Horror stories, from creepy cults to literal murder. Join us every Sunday with bonus episodes on Wednesday!

Have you ever heard the name Brownie Wise? If it seems vaguely familiar that makes sense. She was a pioneer in direct sales at a time when "upper management was no place for a woman", and defied all odds in a male dominated industry. She was revered for her charm, confidence and savvy business skills, until she got too much attention and was wiped from Tupperware history.

Special thanks to Nic for helping me fact check and tell this story! Have a story to share? Email me! [email protected]

Show Notes:

Brownie Wise Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownie_Wise

Uncovering the Rise and Fall of Brownie Wise - https://nypost.com/2016/07/24/uncovering-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-queen-of-tupperware/

The Story of Brownie Wise - https://houseofwise.co/blogs/news/the-story-of-brownie-wise

The Brownie Wise Papers - https://sova.si.edu/record/NMAH.AC.0509

Brownie Wise The Brain Behind Tupperware - https://www.newenglandhistoricalsociety.com/brownie-wise-brain-behind-tupperware/

Tupperware Jubilee Fashion Show 1954 - https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/tupperware-jubilee-fashion/#:~:text=In%201954%2C%20Brownie%20Wise%20inaugurated,high%20spectacle%20and%20outrageous%20competitions.

Tupperware Jubilee 1957 Commemorative Plate - https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/search/object/nmah_1161979

15 Tupperware Facts - https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/85379/15-tupperware-facts-back-fridge

Brownie Wise PBS - https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/tupperware-wise/

How Tupperware Works - https://people.howstuffworks.com/tupperware.htm

Home Interiors & Gifts - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Interiors_and_Gifts

Tupperware History in my own Backyard - https://blog.tupperware.com/community/tupperware-history-in-my-own-backyard/

The Story of Brownie Wise - https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/story-brownie-wise-ingenious-marketer-behind-tupperware-party-180968658/

Cultish by Amanda Montell - https://amzn.to/3Q7owx9

Dr. Steven Hassan's BITE Model - https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/

Ponzinomics by Robert L. FitzPatrick - https://amzn.to/3q16oJb

How can you help?

Report false income and health claims here: https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/

Or go to: https://www.truthinadvertising.org

You can also report to your state Attorney General's office! https://www.naag.org/find-my-ag/

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Happy October! All month long we will be sharing MLM Horror stories, from creepy cults to literal murder. Join us every Sunday with bonus episodes on Wednesday!

*Trigger Warning : This episode deals with mental health, covert abuse and thoughts of suicide. Please use discretion when listening.*

As a GenX content creator, Julie Anderson tells it like it is. Yet somehow she spent the better part of 5 years neck deep in 2 different commercial cults, the shampoo we love to hate and a business coaching scam that turned her into a person she didn't even recognize. Julie missed almost all of the red flags, until some honest conversations lead to her watching the golden shine of her flashy business mentor flake away to reveal his true deceptive intentions.

Show Notes

Julie on TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@julieanderson426?lang=en

Julie on IG - https://www.instagram.com/_julieanderson426/

*TW Please use discretion when watching* Play to Win S1E1 - https://www.facebook.com/rayhigdonpage/videos/883545428687674/

Freedom of Mind - https://amzn.to/3SoEh3X

Combating Mind Control -https://amzn.to/3fwSywD

Cultish by Amanda Montell - https://amzn.to/3Q7owx9

Dr. Steven Hassan's BITE Model - https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/

Ponzinomics by Robert L. FitzPatrick - https://amzn.to/3q16oJb

How can you help?

Report false income and health claims here: https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/

Or go to: https://www.truthinadvertising.org

You can also report to your state Attorney General's office! https://www.naag.org/find-my-ag/

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*Content Warning - this episode mentions about trauma, mental health, miscarriage, and disordered eating. Please use discretion when listening.*

Jeannette was a Diamond Coach during her 5 year stint in Beachbody, running the MLM rat race with undiagnosed ADHD, chasing the dopamine fueled high of being a top BossBabe. I also struggled with undiagnosed ADHD while in MLM, chasing the same fix and so I wondered, Is there a connection between MLM and Neurodivergency? Jeannette and I talk about the similarities between our journeys with ADHD, how MLMs and social media played a part, and what healthy boundaries and personal privacy in a digital space looks like.

Show Notes

Follow Jeannette on IG - https://www.instagram.com/with_love_jeannette/

Follow Jeannette on TikTok!- https://www.tiktok.com/@anti_mlm_jeannette

Childhood Trauma and ADHD: A Complete Overview & Clinical Guidance - https://www.additudemag.com/adhd-and-trauma-overview-signs-symptoms/

What is Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria? - https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/friendship-20/201907/what-is-rejection-sensitive-dysphoria

Briannah Jewel - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCV_WEuCC_OwOH-FTAwNbWEg

Carl Daikeler refers to Beachbody Coaches as “unsophisticated” on quarterly earnings call - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5CjL1grxPs

Cultish by Amanda Montell - https://amzn.to/3Q7owx9

Dr. Steven Hassan's BITE Model - https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/

Ponzinomics by Robert L. FitzPatrick - https://amzn.to/3q16oJb

How can you help?

Report false income and health claims here: https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/

Or go to: https://www.truthinadvertising.org

You can also report to your state Attorney General's office! https://www.naag.org/find-my-ag/

Not in the U.S.? Go here: https://www.ftc.gov/policy/international/competition-consumer-protection-authorities-worldwide

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To add more education and content to our MLMs Abroad episodes, I asked my friend Nic to come and chat about her time in MLM, share with us some companies we may not know and share what she's learned as someone on the outside now looking in. We've chatted about how politics play a large role in MLMs in the US, but did you realize they are just as well connected across the pond? This chat with Nic is just a dip into a deeper topic and problem within MLMS, and we've only just begun.

*This episode features 3 bonus sections than can be accessed on our Patreon!*

Show Notes

Tupperware UK closes down - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-156283/Lid-closes-Tupperware-parties.html

Jaime at Home Closes - https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/jamie-oliver-cookware-jamie-home-17334355

Gloria Mayfield Banks - https://gloriamayfieldbanks.com/

Monica Hayworth - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDkcxSCwDhYNMlxYqR5thmg

Lord Sugar owns 50% of Tropic Skin Care - https://www.mylondon.news/news/south-london-news/sir-alan-sugar-former-apprentice-15926397

Cultish by Amanda Montell - https://amzn.to/3Q7owx9

Dr. Steven Hassan's BITE Model - https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/

Ponzinomics by Robert L. FitzPatrick - https://amzn.to/3q16oJb

How can you help?

Report false income and health claims here: https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/

Or go to: https://www.truthinadvertising.org

You can also report to your state Attorney General's office! https://www.naag.org/find-my-ag/

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Have you ever wanted to live a "cleaner" or "healthier" life? One day you're living free of toxic chemicals, the next you're being fear mongered into a wildly antithetical existence under the guise of "business". For Atalie, being pregnant and terrified of harming her unborn child lead her down a path darker than she had imagined from a health and wellness company. It's a slippery slope from "toxin free" to conspiracy theorist and Atalie walked the line for over 3 years before sharing her truth.

Show Notes

Queen Elizabeth's life in Pictures - https://www.npr.org/sections/pictureshow/2022/09/08/1064160788/these-photos-follow-the-life-of-queen-elizabeth-ii-from-childhood-to-the-throne

JR Ridinger dies suddenly - https://pagesix.com/2022/08/31/miami-socialite-j-r-ridinger-dies-suddenly-at-63/

CULTS, CANCER, AND COVID-19: WELCOME TO ARBONNE, HUN! - https://shityoushouldcareabout.com/article/arbonne

From Huns to Humans - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/from-huns-to-humans/id1585142247

What is Orthorexia? - https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/eating-disorders/what-is-orthorexia

Joyful Movement - https://nutritionstripped.com/joyful-movement/

Cultish by Amanda Montell - https://amzn.to/3Q7owx9

Dr. Steven Hassan's BITE Model - https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/

Ponzinomics by Robert L. FitzPatrick - https://amzn.to/3q16oJb

How can you help?

Report false income and health claims here: https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/

Or go to: https://www.truthinadvertising.org

You can also report to your state Attorney General's office! https://www.naag.org/find-my-ag/

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Sam just wanted to sell cute stuff to her friends and family from the comfort of their living rooms, she didn't realize she was entering a never ending race, chasing after a golden carrot that didn't exist. From her starts in MLM's with shady mergers and takeovers, to her life as a salaried recruiter for traveling trunk shows, Sam has some interesting insights into different facets of the multi level madness of scammy business dealings.

This episode includes over 10 mins of bonus content on our Patreon! Membership starts at $5!

Show Notes

Follow Sam! Twitter | YouTube | Facebook | Instagram

Sam's Podcast - https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/703788.rss

Sam's Website, Moxie Mama - http://moxiemama.tv/

An example of the products sold - https://www.plasticglassandwax.com/collections/southern-living-at-home-willow-house

The Alchemist by Paulo Coelho - https://amzn.to/3QeveAq

Cultish by Amanda Montell - https://amzn.to/3Q7owx9

Dr. Steven Hassan's BITE Model - https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/

Ponzinomics by Robert L. FitzPatrick - https://amzn.to/3q16oJb

How can you help?

Report false income and health claims here: https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/

Or go to: https://www.truthinadvertising.org

You can also report to your state Attorney General's office! https://www.naag.org/find-my-ag/

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Have you ever found yourself going down a funnel marketing rabbit hole? Clicking link after link, trying to get to the root of what this website is about? What are they selling? How do you make money? Is this a scam? Not all of them are as obvious as you would expect. So when Nikki found herself trapped in a personal development funnel scam linked to a water filter MLM, she wondered how she could have wandered so far off course.

The Freedom Era - https://thefreedomera.com/

Is Freedom Era/Kangen Water a SCAM? - https://maketimeonline.com/the-freedom-era-review

Cultish by Amanda Montell - https://amzn.to/3Q7owx9

Dr. Steven Hassan's BITE Model - https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/

Ponzinomics by Robert L. FitzPatrick - https://amzn.to/3q16oJb

How can you help?

Report false income and health claims here: https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/

Or go to: https://www.truthinadvertising.org

You can also report to your state Attorney General's office! https://www.naag.org/find-my-ag/

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Do you remember what MLM's were like BEFORE the invention of social media? RSVP's, carbon copy receipts, and hands on activities? Maybe you got a Mary Kay makeover, or made a Creative Memories scrapbooking page? Whatever it was it looked a whole lot different than the MLM Parties of today. Join Shelley and I on a walk down 1990-2000's MLM memory lane, to simpler, much more complicated times.

Show Notes

Remembering Bruce A. Craig, Esq - https://mlmchange.org/bruce-craig

Multilevel Marketing and Pyramid Schemes in the United States: An Historical Analysis - https://www.valueplays.net/wp-content/uploads/Keep-and-Vander-Nat_MLM-and-Pyramid-Schemes_Final.pdf

Cultish by Amanda Montell - https://amzn.to/3Q7owx9

Dr. Steven Hassan's BITE Model - https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/

Ponzinomics by Robert L. FitzPatrick - https://amzn.to/3q16oJb

How can you help?

Report false income and health claims here: https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/

Or go to: https://www.truthinadvertising.org

You can also report to your state Attorney General's office! https://www.naag.org/find-my-ag/

Not in the U.S.? Go here: https://www.ftc.gov/policy/international/competition-consumer-protection-authorities-worldwide

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