Liminal Living

By Dr. Thomas J Rundel

Welcome to the Liminal Living Podcast, where we dive deep into the realm of liminal spaces—those transitional phases where uncertainty is our companion. I'm your host and curator of conversations, Dr.... more

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June 04, 2023 12: Jacci Turner: Deconstruction as an Essential Stage of Faith Formation
What if deconstruction is not always losing faith? What if it can be a natural part of the faith journey that modern churches merely don’t have space for? Today, I talked with Therapist, Counselor, Campus minister, and Author, Jacci Turner about her new book: Tumbled People: Deconstructing and Reconstructing your faith. This book promises that you will find hope and encouragement for the spiritual changes you are going through, for they are a normal part of the stages of spiritual growth and development. What stage are you at? Listen in and find out.
You can find Jacci’s book: https://rb.gy/haobk and https://rb.gy/osbg5
You can find Jacci at www.jacciturner.com
Below are the topics and time stamps of the issues we cover which includes,
2:05: Introductions and Faith Roots
5:40: The first domino that sent her into deconstruction
10:03: Shalom, the Bible’s word for Salvation, Justice, Peace
11:50: Intro to the six stages of faith formation
15:40: Making space for deconstruction in organizations
21:14: Stage 1 Trusting openness of a child
24:39: Stage 2 Black and White rule keeping
25:22: Stage 3 Building scaffolding
28:41: Hitting the Wall
31:25: Getting through the Wall
37:23: Stage 4 Deconstructing
43:51: Stage 5 A bigger basket to hold more views
47:16: Cleansing the lenses we use to read and interpret
54:01: Stage 6 One heart and one will
55:31: Dark night, burnout, deconstruction, the wall
1:00:37: Tumbled People, a guide to deconstruction
1:03:19: Conclusions
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1h 7min
May 28, 2023 11: Zack Hunt: Deconstructing the Bible
Today, I talk with author, writer, and doodle lover, Zack Hunt about his new book, Godbreathed. He shares his experience of the Nazarene Church, watching TV preacher Jack Van Impe, going to Bible college and getting hit with an academic approach to the Bible which gave him more questions than he was comfortable with. This deconstruction led him to write his first book Unraptured and as he further processed his faith he wrote Godbreathed to help people process what the Bible is and what it is not. He is a wonderful human being and I had a lot of fun chatting with him.
You can find Zack’s book: https://rb.gy/5skge and https://rb.gy/n0lck
You can find Zack at www.Zackhunt.net and https://substack.com/@zackhunt
Below are the topics and time stamps of the issues we cover which includes,
1:47 Introduction
5:08 Puppies and dog lovers
6:20 His anti-fundie billboards around Nashville
8:30 Deconstructing Jack Van Impe, Unraptured
11:49 Voices of Guidance, Rachel Held Evans
15:11 Why he wrote Godbreathed, permission to question
19:48 Loving Scripture vs Worshiping scripture, subjectivity vs objectivity, humanity and divinity, control vs faith
26:38 the Bible as the story of God’s people told by God’s people vs History of God’s people written by God.
29:40 Finding the meaning of the Bible worthy of the God it describes, Origen and allegory.
33:20 Paul was wrong about slavery
36:05 Infallibility vs Heliocentrism, homosexuality,
37:53 History of the Fundie takeover: Pulpits, Publishers, and the Presidency
42:51 Decline of fundamentalist institutions, pastor shortage, young people exodus, same sex marriage
47:40 Inerrancy as White Supremacy and Patriarchy.
51:36 Bible as Myth, making space at the table for different views
58:39 Sola scriptura and drunk, constipated Luther
1:02:06 conformity, younger generations, MLK, justice, silent white moderate
1:06:43 Quiet quitting pastors, Trumpism, Black Lives Matter
1:10:37 The American Church is dead, now what?
1:15:05 Liminal Living when you’re excommunicated
1:18:56 Conclusion
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1h 23min
May 21, 2023 10: Tom Rundel: Deconstructing "Eternal Life"
What does a theology of Eternal Life really look like? If you've deconstructed the idea that you need to pray a magic Jesus prayer to go to heaven when you die, what do you do with the concept of Life Eternal? In this solo recording from a teaching at my church I go into what eternal life is and is not.
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May 14, 2023 9: Aaron McConnell: Deconstructing From Fundamentalism
Today, I talk with Aaron McConnell, a long time friend from a previous church. He shares his experience growing up in a hyper fundamentalist Baptist church and school, where the Baptist Church down the street wasn’t fundamental enough. Also half way through Aaron turns the tables and interviews me unexpectedly about my deconstruction as a pastor and how I am doing church differently, to create safe spaces for those who are unsure of their faith.
0:48 Introduction
3:03 Not Fundie Enough for the Fundies
6:14 Jumping back into church
8:46 Planned Parenthood Protest
12:07 Guilt, Shame, Fear, the fundie toolbox
17:17 Humility from pain
21:03 “Sound of the Genuine”
22:21 Deconstruction and personal relationships
24:59 Inerrancy, Ideology, Covid Mandates
29:14 Deconstructing as a pastor, creating safe spaces
33:22 Weaponizing Dogma vs knowing you’re not infallible
38:29 A Different Church MO
40:26 Suffering “Breaks” your understanding of God
43:49 Scientific Revolution, Fundamentalist reaction, new church models
47:13 Benefits of a deconstructed pastor
50:23 Liminal Living tips
55:30 Courage to love
58:22 Fundamentalism: weaponized ideology
1:01:31 Conclusions
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1h 3min
May 07, 2023 8: Dr David Rice: Grief, Trauma, Transition in Ministry
Today I talked to Dr. David Rice about his journey into a pastoral role that followed the retirement of a beloved pastor of 33 years. They asked for change, but resisted, while shortly into this position David's father passed away. He learned that change is grief. He stayed for 8 years and left shortly after Covid shutdowns in America subsided. He had no job lined up, was emotionally spent, and moved his whole family to Oxford to weather the liminal season. The breakdown of today's conversation is as follows:
0:48 Introductions
3:20 Church Community in denial of grief
6:31 Loss of Father and personal grief
9:21 Emotional Prosperity Gospel and space to grieve
11:07 Church decline, transition, and grief process
14:43 Power Broker, leadership, boundaries, restraining orders
19:09 Church planting vs Revitalizing
22:51 leaving my pastoral role, skipped sabatical
27:06 Covid, Burnout, Everything Changed
30:49 Trauma, Loss, and Nervous System
36:01 pastoral transitions
40:38 Community, friendship, support outside church
42:18 Vocational Confidence, God’s presence, theological uncertainty
46:44 Liminality and Transformation
50:15 Expectations vs Reality
53:28 Befriending death, mortality, change
57:08 Power, Politics, Ideology, and Anxiety in the Church
1:01:11 Superheroes of the Apocalypse
1:03:18 Liminal Living
1:08:30 Conclusions
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1h 10min
April 29, 2023 7: Jeremie Wilson: Exiting the Faith
Today, I talk with Jeremie Wilson, a great friend, a great musician, a great soul. He shares his experience growing up in the faith as the son of a musical evangelist, his exploration of science with his college degree, his journey into church leadership, seeing how the sausage is made, and his eventual exit of the faith when there was no hospitality to reconcile his understanding of science with the demands of fundamentalist religion.
0:48 Introduction
5:04 Faith upbringing, CCM, Kieth Green
10:06 Stress of art, poverty, and false hopes of God given fame
14:16 Prosperity Gospel, Artistic Insecurity, Success
18:59 The Bible, Justice, Politics, Christian Nationalism
23:38 Systemic Theology, Communal Conformity
27:14 Science and Faith, Young Earth Creationism, Conspiracy Thinking
33:17 At odds with the faith, no space for discussion
38:36 Quiet Quitting the Church
42:27 Trying church again, but with kids
47:30 Deacon to Elder to Board Member
52:51 Excluded
57:13 Overcoming his religious prejudice
59:22 Church as a Club, the “Agent Arena Relationship”
1:05:34 Art as Healing
1:08:42 My Gay Brother-in-Law
1:13:11 Conclusions
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1h 16min
April 23, 2023 6: Dr. Paul Jones: Deconstruction Post Pastoring
In this conversation with my dear friend Dr. Paul Jones, we hear his story of deconstruction, burnout, exiting the pastoral world as a profession, abandonment by Christian friends and colleagues, and finding his way through the dark night.
0:48 Introductions
6:02 Life Post Pastor
10:14 Dark Night of the Soul
14:24 Church planting and pressure
19:07 Building the Church Machine
23:36 Ego, Burnout,Boundaries
25:36 Trump, Christian Nationalism
27:02 Depression, Almost Atheist
30:25 Spiritual Direction and Counseling
36:35 Rethinking Church
41:31 Love not Found
47:07 The Unforgivable sin: Trump
52:19 Liminal Living Tips
57:39 Conclusions
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1h
April 16, 2023 5: Jayson Simonson: Deconstruction and Poverty
Today I talk to long time friend, Jayson Simonson, Chief Resource Officer of New International. We talk about his deconstruction process and his passion for eliminating poverty.
1:34 his faith story
3:23 Deconstruction and Poverty
10:21 Deconstruction and Spiritual Direction
12:10 Deconstruction and the nature of Truth
14:57 Church Bureaucracy and Truth
17:47 Church Entertainment Machine
21:56 Politicizing Poverty
31:17 Christian Authoritarian Empire
38:40 Row v Wade
41:38 January 6th Insurrection Spirit
48:28 Empowerment vs Power
52:19 Liminal Living Tips
57:24 Sources and Motivations
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1h 2min
December 22, 2015 4: Tom Rundel: Advent Part 2: A Picture Of Hope
In John 2, did Jesus turn the water from the religious basins into wine? I do not think so. He did something greater to which this points. I explore this story in relation to its Old Testament roots in Isaiah. Check it out.
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December 07, 2015 3: Tom Rundel: Advent Part 1: Hope A Theology Of Color
The definition of hope is found neither in pessimism nor optimism, but in a "theology of color." Check out the latest #LiminalLiving podcast to see how.
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