We've a world exclusive. Have we said season 9 is a bit different?

We skip through a quick intro with some Chill Trail Race chatter before this week's headline act join us.

Both massive pals of the podcast who we've already shared some great episodes with. Now they've something rather sensational to share with us. Say hello to Wildheart Runners the thrilling new initiative of Karen Nicol and Debbie Martin-Consani.

We're privileged to find out all about it and, not being shy retiring types, UltraKazy and Badwater Debbie are ready to give us the lowdown.

We find out what the plans are for creating a hugely valuable new community for runners, pitched at covering some of the unique barriers and challenges female runners face whilst acknowledging the need to widen and involve everyone in the conversation.

We hear from the passionate duo about safety whilst out running, about hormones and female admin, and about how with their knowledge, connections and experience now is the time to create the opportunity to learn, interact and get involved in the conversation.

We hear from Karen about how she's raising awareness of gender balance in races particularly ultras and endurance events. Whilst Debbie tells us about facing the time challenges of being a busy parent with the juggle of training, work and other commitments can be a big obstacle to overcome.

With coaching, workshops, shared running experiences and adventures a plenty in the pipeline this chat creates a big buzz for what the future holds for Wildheart Runners. Watch this space, we see a wild bright future!

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