We all have those moments where we feel like we’ve got parenting all wrong, and we’re constantly bombarded with messages about what’s “best.” Well, here’s a not-so-secret secret: There’s no best way to parent. And today’s episode has the stories and data to back it up. First up, Grammy-winning artist Meghan Trainor talks about how her desperation for a raw, real guide to the messiness of motherhood—stretch marks, bloody nipples, and all—led to her first book, Dear Future Mama. Then, economist and author Emily Oster (you may know her from her books “Expecting Better,” “Cribsheet” and “The Family Firm”) follows up to explain how crunching the numbers on parenting approaches helps us redefine what “best” really means.

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