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In this Fully Diluted episode from ETHCC, we sit down with Terrence Kwok, founder of Humanity Protocol, to explore how palm biometrics, zero-knowledge proofs, and decentralized identity validators are coming together to build a new foundation for trust in the digital age.

We cover:

- The challenge of verifying human identity in an AI-heavy world

- Why palm biometrics are more accurate (and less creepy) than other options

- How Humanity Protocol enables privacy-preserving credentials for everything from proof of education to credit scores

- The role of ZK-TLS and their recent acquisition of Moongate to scale real-world adoptio

- What makes Humanity different from Worldcoin—and why they built their own chain

Terrence also shares how they’ve grown to nearly 10M Human IDs globally, and why most future users may never realize they’re interacting with a blockchain at all.

00:07 Introductions

4:00 Tech Breakdown

13:15 Credential Composability

17:12 Why Build Your Own Chain?

18:18 Global Go-To-Market

20:31 Distribution Strategy

23:09 User Incentives

24:57 Roadmap

28:26 AI Deepfakes

30:04 Conclusion

Hosted by Dylan Bane of Messari

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This episode and its contents do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Messari, Inc. Hosts and guests may hold cryptocurrencies discussed in this content. This content is meant for informational purposes only. It is not meant to serve as investment advice. You should conduct your own research, and consult an independent financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decisions. Nothing contained in this content is a recommendation or suggestion, directly or indirectly, to buy, sell, make, or hold any investment, loan, commodity, or security, or to undertake any investment or trading strategy with respect to any investment, loan, commodity, security, or any issuer. This content should not be construed as an offer to sell or the solicitation of an offer to buy any security or commodity. Messari does not guarantee the sequence, accuracy, completeness, or timeliness of any information provided in this content.

💡 Ask Messari Copilot: How are tokenized stocks on Arbitrum expected to impact on-chain liquidity and adoption among retail investors?

👉 See Copilot's Response: https://messari.io/copilot/share/tokenized-stock-liquidity-on-arbitrum-f15fd4cb-239d-4d36-bff6-808488df441b

This episode of STSP dives deep into the evolving intersection of traditional finance and crypto. The team discusses the rising excitement around stablecoins, Robinhood's move into tokenized U.S. equities on Arbitrum, Hyperliquid’s edge over centralized exchanges, and the broader implications of ETFs and on-chain trading infrastructure. Tune in for insights on how new financial rails are forming—from Solana staking ETFs to the emergence of crypto-powered super apps.

00:29 Introductions

1:00 Market Overview

9:49 IPO & Markets

11:35 Stocks via Stablecoins

12:48 Robinhood & Coinbase Impact

29:16 L2 & Altcoins

40:41 Staking ETFs & Solana Growth

50:28 Circle IPO & Stablecoin Yields

51:50 Launchpads & Onchain News

1:01:24 Conclusion

Hosted by Matthew Nay of Messari

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💡 Ask Messari Copilot: What are the tradeoffs between valuing a Layer 1 blockchain using revenue vs. monetary premium?

✨ See Copilot's Response: https://messari.io/copilot/share/layer-1-valuation-tradeoffs-a9a432a8-41bc-4281-963b-f836318a6502

Bitcoin barely flinched during recent geopolitical chaos. Is BTC becoming more resilient—dare we say… gold-like? In this episode of STSP, we explore Bitcoin’s price action in the face of macro stress, the rise of on-chain order books (CLOBs), and the growing stablecoin wars between TradFi giants and crypto natives. We also dive into valuation models, memecoin exposure for institutions, and whether your favorite L1s deserve trillion-dollar dreams.

Featuring spicy takes, galaxy brain theories, and just the right amount of terminally online behavior.

00:37 Introductions

1:01 CLOB Basics

11:40 Stablecoin Talk

17:40 Market Outlook

30:49 L1 Valuation

45:16 Pump.fun Valuation

50:32 Onchain Activity

55:41 Conclusion

Hosted by Dylan Bane of Messari

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This episode and its contents do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Messari, Inc. Hosts and guests may hold cryptocurrencies discussed in this content. This content is meant for informational purposes only. It is not meant to serve as investment advice. You should conduct your own research, and consult an independent financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decisions. Nothing contained in this content is a recommendation or suggestion, directly or indirectly, to buy, sell, make, or hold any investment, loan, commodity, or security, or to undertake any investment or trading strategy with respect to any investment, loan, commodity, security, or any issuer. This content should not be construed as an offer to sell or the solicitation of an offer to buy any security or commodity. Messari does not guarantee the sequence, accuracy, completeness, or timeliness of any information provided in this content.

In this exclusive interview, 1inch Co-Founder Sergej Kunz breaks down how the team expanded to Solana in just 30 days — and why intent-based architecture is the future of DeFi. From overcoming technical challenges, embracing open-source standards, and integrating MEV protection by design, Sergey shares deep insights on liquidity fragmentation, protocol design, and 1inch’s vision to unite DeFi across chains like Solana, Aptos, Sui, and even Bitcoin.

👉 Why Solana's architecture created a huge growth opportunity

👉 How 1inch delivered a production-ready Solana MVP in 30 days

👉 Intent-based swaps vs. AMMs vs. CowSwap vs. Uniswap X

👉 Cross-chain liquidity aggregation & MEV protection

👉 The long-term roadmap for DeFi, Bitcoin integration, and TradFi adoption

Whether you're a builder, trader, or protocol researcher — this is a masterclass on DeFi scaling and infrastructure.

00:41 Introductions

6:38 Expand to Solana

10:32 Fusion Protocol

20:10 Communication

27:10 Volume

39:08 Accomplishment

44:19 Liquidity Layer

46:55 Interface Fees?

56:58 The Future

1:03:27 Conclusion

Hosted by Troy Harris of Messari

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This episode and its contents do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Messari, Inc. Hosts and guests may hold cryptocurrencies discussed in this content. This content is meant for informational purposes only. It is not meant to serve as investment advice. You should conduct your own research, and consult an independent financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decisions. Nothing contained in this content is a recommendation or suggestion, directly or indirectly, to buy, sell, make, or hold any investment, loan, commodity, or security, or to undertake any investment or trading strategy with respect to any investment, loan, commodity, security, or any issuer. This content should not be construed as an offer to sell or the solicitation of an offer to buy any security or commodity. Messari does not guarantee the sequence, accuracy, completeness, or timeliness of any information provided in this content.

💡 Ask Messari Copilot: Could tokenized equities will actually drive onchain adoption — or are onchain traders still too focused on memes and perps?

✨ See Copilot's Response: https://messari.io/copilot/share/tokenized-equities-and-onchain-adoption-fc4adda4-549d-4657-a411-6272aea037ed

In episode 6 of Shoot Sh*t the Pod, the Messari Enterprise team dives into:

- Bitcoin Vegas highlights & growing political support for crypto

- The evolution of Bitcoin scalability: OPCAT, BitVM, and BitcoinFi experiments

- Hyperliquid’s transparency debate and the future of onchain perps

- Real-world assets and tokenized equities coming to Solana

- Dripster’s unique model merging AI, real-world manufacturing, and internet capital markets

- Helium Mobile’s explosive growth and the Deepin sector heating up

Stay tuned for in-depth takes, healthy debates, and some hot alpha along the way. Don’t forget to like and subscribe!

00:38 Introductions

1:13 Market Update

6:10 Hyperliquid Hype

17:27 RWAs & Equities

25:24 Bitcoin Vegas & Scaling

34:48 Dripster & New Markets

45:40 NFT Derivatives

48:52 Helium Growth

51:03 Conclusion

Hosted by Matthew Nay of Messari

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This episode and its contents do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Messari, Inc. Hosts and guests may hold cryptocurrencies discussed in this content. This content is meant for informational purposes only. It is not meant to serve as investment advice. You should conduct your own research, and consult an independent financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decisions. Nothing contained in this content is a recommendation or suggestion, directly or indirectly, to buy, sell, make, or hold any investment, loan, commodity, or security, or to undertake any investment or trading strategy with respect to any investment, loan, commodity, security, or any issuer. This content should not be construed as an offer to sell or the solicitation of an offer to buy any security or commodity. Messari does not guarantee the sequence, accuracy, completeness, or timeliness of any information provided in this content.

Ask Messari Copilot: Can a full-stack, centralized-style experience coexist with crypto’s ethos of decentralization?

See Copilot's Response: https://messari.io/copilot/share/centralization-vs-decentralization-5b85d971-6184-4512-9110-1598a3900bb8

Kain Warwick breaks down how Infinex is rewriting the rules of crypto UX. From building its own wallet and signing infrastructure to full-stack app architecture, Infinex is ditching the dApp playbook to offer users a seamless, centralized-like experience—without sacrificing custody. If you're curious about the future of crypto applications and the battle to onboard the next wave of users, this one’s for you.

00:42 Introductions

1:05 Infinex Vision

4:13 UX in Crypto

5:45 User Growth

8:12 How Infinex Works

19:05 Scaling Infinex

23:15 Competition

31:42 Updates & Perception

38:46 Kaito Plans

42:15 Conclusion

Hosted by Kinji Steimetz and Dylan Bane of Messari

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What does it really take to launch a token in 2025? The Enterprise team dives into the rise of Launchcoin and the emergence of Internet Capital Markets—an onchain movement redefining how tokens are created, distributed, and valued. From memecoin mechanics to institutional implications, this episode dissects the thesis and traction behind tokenized everything on Solana.

💥 We also debate how to value L1s:

→ Is REV (Revenue) the most grounded valuation metric?

→ How do monetary premiums, economic security, and execution narratives shape prices?

→ Are current valuations justifiable—or wildly overblown?Plus, we touch on:

- The Coinbase S&P 500 inclusion

- BTC breaking 6 figures

- Hyperliquid’s growth dilemma

- Dylan’s DePIN Valuations report (featuring DRNs vs. PRNs)

- What we’re doing onchain—from Tama.fun to HyperEVM farming

💡 Ask Messari Copilot: How might tokenization tools like Launchcoin evolve to enable real equity, revenue sharing, or governance rights—and what regulatory or technical hurdles stand in the way?

✨ See Copilot's Response: https://messari.io/copilot/share/tokenization-s-future-equity-revenue-and-governance-d63e860a-1b2e-49da-8f64-f6ea5ecd3fe6

00:39 Introductions

1:13 Market Update

7:12 Coinbase in S&P

11:55 Analyst Forecast

13:27 How to Value L1s

36:09 IPO Multiples

38:24 Internet Capital Markets

46:19 Hyperliquid & Bear Case

59:52 On-Chain Stuff

1:11:44 Conclusion

Hosted by Matthew Nay of Messari

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This episode and its contents do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Messari, Inc. Hosts and guests may hold cryptocurrencies discussed in this content. This content is meant for informational purposes only. It is not meant to serve as investment advice. You should conduct your own research, and consult an independent financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decisions. Nothing contained in this content is a recommendation or suggestion, directly or indirectly, to buy, sell, make, or hold any investment, loan, commodity, or security, or to undertake any investment or trading strategy with respect to any investment, loan, commodity, security, or any issuer. This content should not be construed as an offer to sell or the solicitation of an offer to buy any security or commodity. Messari does not guarantee the sequence, accuracy, completeness, or timeliness of any information provided in this content.

We're back with Episode 4 of Shoot the Sh*t Fully Diluted Podcast, where the Messari Enterprise team dives deep into what’s fueling crypto’s recent momentum.

Join Matthew Nay and the Enterprise team (Sunny Shi, Kinji Steimetz, Andrew Dyer, Chris Davis & Dylan Bane) as they shoot the sh*t about:

🔹 Macro trends: BTC’s outperformance, S&P's rally, and tariff drama between the US and China.

🔹 AI subnets & decentralized training: BitTensor’s shoots, gradients, and more.

🔹 Ethereum’s L1 scaling push: Is this the turnaround moment for ETH?

🔹 Stablecoin meta: Mastercard x Circle, Ripple’s rumored bid for Circle, and more.

🔹 Hyperliquid flywheel: HIP3, staking incentives, and why it might be the next top-10 protocol.

🔹 Onchain activity check-in: Launchpad wars, NFT grinds, and Treeverse MMOs.

This one’s jam-packed. Whether you’re macro-curious, AI-obsessed, or just tracking new alt metas—there’s alpha for everyone.

💡 Ask Messari Copilot: What would it take for Ethereum L1 to recapture DeFi mindshare from L2s and alt L1s—performance, incentives, or something entirely different?

✨ See Copilot's Response: https://messari.io/copilot/share/ethereum-l1-defi-comeback-bebd6c1a-a97f-49d2-98c4-136ca02b558c

00:44 Introductions

1:10 Market Sentiment

15:48 Ethereum Foundation

25:11 AI Adoption

36:57 DePIN Projects

39:45 Energy & Crypto

41:31 Crypto Payments

56:15 EVM Innovations

1:05:10 On-Chain Projects

1:12:08 Conclusion

Hosted by Matthew Nay of Messari

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This episode and its contents do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Messari, Inc. Hosts and guests may hold cryptocurrencies discussed in this content. This content is meant for informational purposes only. It is not meant to serve as investment advice. You should conduct your own research, and consult an independent financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decisions. Nothing contained in this content is a recommendation or suggestion, directly or indirectly, to buy, sell, make, or hold any investment, loan, commodity, or security, or to undertake any investment or trading strategy with respect to any investment, loan, commodity, security, or any issuer. This content should not be construed as an offer to sell or the solicitation of an offer to buy any security or commodity. Messari does not guarantee the sequence, accuracy, completeness, or timeliness of any information provided in this content.

What’s really holding crypto back? It’s not infrastructure—it’s product.

In this episode of Fully Diluted, Hivemapper CEO Ariel Seidman joins Messari’s Dylan Bane to unpack the deep infrastructure powering Hivemapper’s decentralized global map—and why real utility, not hype, is the key to crypto’s next chapter.

0:50 Introductions

4:02 HiveMapper Intro

12:13 Market Demand

18:55 Token Model

29:20 Regulation & Adoptio

36:05 Crypto Culture

38:56 App Layer & Roadmap

46:04 Conclusion

Hosted by Dylan Bane of Messari

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This episode and its contents do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Messari, Inc. Hosts and guests may hold cryptocurrencies discussed in this content. This content is meant for informational purposes only. It is not meant to serve as investment advice. You should conduct your own research, and consult an independent financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decisions. Nothing contained in this content is a recommendation or suggestion, directly or indirectly, to buy, sell, make, or hold any investment, loan, commodity, or security, or to undertake any investment or trading strategy with respect to any investment, loan, commodity, security, or any issuer. This content should not be construed as an offer to sell or the solicitation of an offer to buy any security or commodity. Messari does not guarantee the sequence, accuracy, completeness, or timeliness of any information provided in this content.

In this episode of Fully Diluted, Pranav Kanade and Wyatt Lonergan from VanEck Digital Assets are joined by Kinji Steimetz and Dylan Bane from Messari to explore the evolution of crypto beyond speculation.

They dive deep into tokenization, stablecoins, the rise of real-world assets (RWA), and how stablecoin-powered infrastructure could reshape global payments and financial access.

The conversation spans market structure reforms, the future of tokenized equities, the critical path for Deepin networks, and the competitive dynamics among base layers like Solana and MegaETH.

Learn why the industry's future success depends not on better casinos—but on rewarding real, productive innovation.

0:46 Introductions

5:41 Stablecoin Use

15:53 Tokenized Assets

23:33 On-Chain Limits

28:15 DePIN Infrastructure

44:53 Base Layers

51:24 Conclusion

Hosted by Kinji Steimetz and Dylan Bane of Messari

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This episode and its contents do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Messari, Inc. Hosts and guests may hold cryptocurrencies discussed in this content. This content is meant for informational purposes only. It is not meant to serve as investment advice. You should conduct your own research, and consult an independent financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decisions. Nothing contained in this content is a recommendation or suggestion, directly or indirectly, to buy, sell, make, or hold any investment, loan, commodity, or security, or to undertake any investment or trading strategy with respect to any investment, loan, commodity, security, or any issuer. This content should not be construed as an offer to sell or the solicitation of an offer to buy any security or commodity. Messari does not guarantee the sequence, accuracy, completeness, or timeliness of any information provided in this content.