In this episode, I'm joined by someone whose thinking continues to shape my work today -  Michael Fullan. Michael, as many of us know, has been a giant in the field of educational change for decades, and in this conversation, he opens up about his journey: how his ideas have evolved, what he’s learned along the way, and why teacher voice is absolutely essential if we’re serious about real, lasting change.

What stands out here is how clearly Michael connects change with purpose. He reminds us that transformation in schools isn’t linear or tidy—it’s messy, human work. But when educators come together around a shared moral purpose, and when school culture aligns with that purpose, amazing things can happen. He also speaks to something we’ve seen again and again in coaching: the magic that happens when people feel heard, supported, and invited into the process.

For coaches and leaders, this episode is a reminder that we don’t drive change by pushing—it happens when we walk alongside our partners, keep the focus on student well-being, and stay committed to learning together.

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