Philip Dodd talks to film and television producer Tony Garnett about his career including his early BBC work with Ken Loach, the traumatic death of his parents. Margaret Mead was a famous anthropologist who fought for a seat at the table of international relations for her discipline. Discussing her legacy and the shifting status of anthropology are Peter Mandler, author of a new book about her, and the anthropologist Kit Davies. In his latest book Steve Jones asks how the Bible fares as a scientific textbook. He joins Philip to discuss the science of culture and the culture of science.