Something surprising is happening to religious belief in America: It’s no longer trending downward. Are Americans becoming more religious? On this episode of “Interesting Times,” Ross sits down with the demographer and former pastor Ryan Burge to discuss the myths and realities of religious revival and debate whether the future belongs to ortho bros or Pagans.

• 01:32 - A new era of American religion
• 08:19 - The shifting gender balance in religion
• 13:38 - Class, education and social trust
• 18:48 - Tarot, astrology, and UFOs: Post-Christian spirituality
• 22:40 - The decline of the Seven Sisters
• 28:27 - Politics in the pews
• 40:29 - The religious and political America of 2050

(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

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