This is StRest! In this conversation, Kerstin sits down with Dr. Nicole Cain—clinical psychologist, author of Panic Proof, and nationally recognized leader in trauma-informed holistic medicine. Together, they unpack the difference between stress, anxiety, and panic, and why your body’s fear response is actually a clue pointing you toward healing.

Dr. Nicole shares her own story of developing a fear of flying after turbulence triggered a trauma response, and how she learned to retrain her brain and body. She introduces practical tools—from cold therapy and havening, to gut health and hormone balance—that can help you calm panic in the moment and reverse the cycle long-term.

This episode will show you how fear of the fear spreads, how panic generalizes into daily life, and how you can reprogram your nervous system with curiosity and agency. You’ll leave with a fresh perspective, simple grounding practices, and the reminder that you aren’t broken—you’re worthy of healing.

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CHAPTERS

00:00 Dr. Cain’s fear of flying and trauma response

05:38 Anxiety as a clue, not a curse

07:51 Fear of the fear—why it spirals

09:28 Susie at the salon: hormones, heat & panic

12:08 Generalizing fear: what “Little Albert” teaches us

17:42 Real-time tools: cold therapy, havening & math

22:39 Stress vs. Anxiety vs. Panic—the stoplight model

33:29 How the brain wires fear vs. logic

36:40 Hormones, gut health & Clostridia’s hidden role

46:17 Medications, supplements & tapering safely

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