Pearls On, Gloves Off: The Legal Innovation Podcast

In this episode of Pearls On, Gloves Off, Mary is joined by Misha Glouberman, an acclaimed author, advisor, and coach who excels in the art of effective communication and managing difficult conversations. Together, they explore the intricate dance between analytic thinking and emotional understanding in the workplace.

Mary and Misha delve into:

• Effective Communication: Misha underscores the critical importance of balancing analytical and emotional aspects in communications, focusing on real-world business problems that stem from human challenges like miscommunication and conflict avoidance.

• The Human Element in Business: They discuss how most organizational issues are essentially human problems and the value of addressing these to achieve tangible outcomes.

• Navigating People Problems: With insights from Misha's book, The Chairs Are Where the People Go, which has been highly praised for its insightful approach to everyday issues, they explore practical strategies for better interpersonal interactions.

• Technology's Role: The conversation touches on how technology impacts human interactions in business settings, emphasizing the need for a harmonious integration of tech solutions and human-centric approaches.

• Personal Insights: Misha provides personal anecdotes and professional advice on fostering effective communication within teams, emphasizing transparency, empathy, and the need for strategic personal interactions.

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Special Bonus Episode! Mary goes solo to share her thoughts following CLOC Global Institute (CGI) 2024, answering your burning questions in a special AMA format. Questions:

• What felt different to you about this year's CGI?
• What are your thoughts on where we are with AI?
• How can there be so many CLMs?
• Can you recap what you said in your speaking sessions?
• What comes next?

Mary dives into the unique aspects of this year's event, the evolving role of AI in legal operations, and the market dynamics surrounding Contract Lifecycle Management (CLM) systems. She also recaps her speaking sessions on global legal ops trends and strategic planning, offering insights on the future direction of the field. Stay Connected:

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Note from producer: This is an updated version that addresses an audio issue in the original. Thanks for bearing with us. In this episode of Pearls On, Gloves Off...

Mary and Ashley John dig into the dynamic world of legal operations. Ashley, the Head of Legal Operations at Anglo American, brings a unique perspective from his background in mining and geology to his strategic role in a global mining giant.

Key Highlights:

• Introduction to Ashley John: Transitioning from geology to legal ops. Establishing a strategic vision in a multinational team.

• State of Legal Ops: The contraction of senior roles. Has the industry delivered on its promise?

• Quick Wins vs. Long-Term Strategy: Building credibility with immediate successes. Balancing short-term wins with strategic projects.

• Rising Expectations: Clear communication about role expectations. Creating space for transformative projects.

• Reputation and Credibility: Consistent wins to establish trust. Ashley's journey from consultant to dedicated legal ops leader.

• Changing Landscape: Companies adding and eliminating roles. The drive for rapid transformation and value demonstration.

• General Counsel's Role: Setting the tone for success. Leading with a strategic mindset.

• Inclusive Language: Moving away from terms like "non-lawyer" and "alternative". Promoting more inclusive terminology.

• Future of Law Firms: Impact of AI on legal processes. Will the billable hour model survive? The need for a change in mindset.

• Culture of Innovation: Embracing AI and new technologies. Fostering adaptability within legal teams.

Join Mary and Ashley for an insightful discussion on the evolution and future of legal operations, the challenges of the industry, and the transformative potential of AI.

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In this episode of Pearls On, Gloves Off, Mary O'Carroll sits down with Anna Richards, Director of Global Legal Operations at John Deere. With over 15 years of experience, Anna brings deep insights from companies like Autodesk, Zendesk, and Micron Technology.Mary and Anna dig into:

• Transitioning to John Deere: Anna details her onboarding journey, where Deere laid the groundwork by first understanding the role of legal operations and investing in its success.
• Unique Challenges: As one of the few remote employees, Anna shares the importance of relationship-building and progress-making despite her unique work arrangement.
• Diverse Roles: Anna reflects on her legal ops journey across different companies, sharing how no two roles are the same and how each experience is valuable.
• Technology in Legal Ops: They discuss how John Deere aims to become a tech-forward company, targeting 10% recurring revenue by 2030. This requires significant investments in tech tools and IT partnerships.
• Setting Up Success: Mary highlights the necessity of strategic hiring and the importance of investment in support, vendors, tech, and tools.
• Creating Buy-In: Anna talks about Deere's strategic approach to building the legal ops function, conducting surveys to identify opportunities and building a business case for stakeholder buy-in.
• Current Projects: From implementing an enterprise-wide CLM system to aiming for 50,000 hours saved by 2026, Anna shares her ambitious goals and hiring plans.

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linkedin.com Mary O'Carroll - Ironclad, Inc. | LinkedIn Please reach out if I can be helpful at all. I love to provide (free!) advice on scaling… · Experience: Ironclad, Inc. · Location: San Francisco Bay Area · 500+ connections on LinkedIn. View Mary O'Carroll's profile on LinkedIn, a professional community of 1 billion members. linkedin.com Ironclad | LinkedIn Ironclad | 27,926 followers on LinkedIn. Ironclad is the smart way to make and manage digital business contracts. Now powered by Ironclad AI. | Ironclad is the #1 contract lifecycle management platform for innovative companies, powering billions of contracts every year. L'Oréal, Salesforce, OpenAI and other leading innovators use Ironclad to collaborate and negotiate on contracts, accelerate contracting while maintaining compliance, and turn contracts into critical carriers of operational business intelligence. It's the only platform flexible enough to handle every type of contract workflow, whether a sales agreement, an HR agreement or a complex NDA. YouTube Ironclad CLM Software Ironclad is the digital contract platform loved by modern business teams.Contracts are business decisions trapped in administrative tasks. Ironclad is software that does all the administrative work better left for a computer, freeing teams -- legal, sales, procurement, finance, HR, etc -- to do substantive work and drive business strategy.We believe contracts should be business assets. Some document management vendors focus on contracts as risk assets: documents that, when poorly managed, expose companies to significant, surprising risks. While not knowing what's in your contracts can certainly be dangerous, we prefer to focus on the valuable intelligence you can extract from them to drive… Show more Apple Podcasts ‎Pearls On, Gloves Off - Legal Operations, Contracting, Change Management, and Career Growth on Apple Podcasts

In this episode of "Pearls On, Gloves Off," Mary sits down with Dawn Hinz, legal operations leader at Avery Dennison. Together, they dive into the nuances of leading and transforming the legal ops landscape. In The Episode:

• Exploring Strategy and Improvement: Dawn's role at Avery Dennison: strategy development, process enhancement, and resource optimization. She shares her methodologies in change management and the hurdles faced during large-scale tech implementations.
• Cultivating Success: The critical elements that foster a successful legal operations function—supportive culture, robust leadership, and the essential skills needed. Dawn discusses her approach to team building and the traits she values in potential hires.
• Overcoming Resistance: The common challenges of introducing new systems within firms and how to effectively manage resistance to change. The significance of being a proactive change agent equipped with strategic and program management prowess.
• Lessons from Dell: Dawn reflects on her tenure at Dell, discussing the evolution of legal operations and the importance of a comprehensive understanding of business processes. They discuss striking the right balance between mitigating risks and maintaining operational efficiency.
• Demonstrating Value: They emphasize the ongoing need to support legal operations and ways to showcase its impact. Dawn offers her personal advice for aspiring legal ops professionals, urging them to embrace leadership roles, seize learning opportunities, and initiate change.

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In this episode of Pearls On, Gloves Off, Mary O'Carroll welcomes the formidable Charlene Barone, currently steering the ship as the Director of Legal Operations at the New York Times. Charlene, with her rich history traversing from contracts manager to legal ops leader, brings a wealth of knowledge from both the startup world and the franchise legal landscape of Orange Theory Fitness.

• A Tale of Two Worlds: Mary and Charlene explore the contrasts and challenges f@aced in the legal departments of Orange Theory and the New York Times, highlighting the critical role of general counsel in championing innovation.
• Strategic Moves: Charlene opens up about the strategic initiatives that have marked her career, offering golden nuggets of advice for those aspiring to climb the legal ops ladder.
• The Brave Leap: From Contracts Manager to Legal Ops Director, Charlene's journey is a masterclass in risk-taking and the indispensable support of a general counsel.
• Foundation in Contract Management: Charlene credits her rigorous experience in contract management as the bedrock of her success, encouraging newcomers to start their legal ops journey there.
• Initiative and Innovation at Orange Theory: Charlene reflects on her tenure at Orange Theory, emphasizing the impact of supportive general counsel on her ability to implement transformative projects, like a Contract Lifecycle Management system.
• Strategy at The New York Times: With a larger team and more resources, Charlene shares her strategic priorities and the open, supportive environment that fosters innovation at the New York Times.
• The GC Partnership: The significance of a solid relationship with general counsel, the courage to take risks, and the importance of communication are underscored.
• Continuous Improvement: Charlene motivates legal ops professionals to seize opportunities for enhancement, advocating for small starts leading to major leaps.

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In this episode of Pearls On, Gloves Off, Mary O'Carroll sits down with Chris Clearfield, a true trailblazer in the world of leadership and management. As the CEO of Clearfield Group and the co-author of "Meltdown," Chris brings a fresh take on how to lead through the chaos and complexity of today's business landscape.

• Change Leadership, Not Management: Mary and Chris dig into why "change management" just doesn't cut it. Chris suggests we need to shift our focus to "change leadership" - guiding people through the unknown, tackling fear head-on, building trust, and creating a space where ideas can flow freely.
• The Legal Industry's Slow Dance with Change: The conversation takes a turn towards the legal sector's sluggish pace when it comes to adapting to change. Mary sheds light on the crucial role of legal operations and why professionals need to step up and become strategic leaders.
• Beyond the Business Case: Chris challenges the conventional wisdom of relying solely on data to drive change. He emphasizes the importance of empathy, listening, and really engaging with people to understand their concerns and aspirations.
• A Blueprint for Change: The duo dives into Chris's model for leading change, from recognizing the challenge to achieving and moving beyond the desired outcomes. They discuss how resistance is inevitable and why it's smart to focus on those who are on the fence about change rather than the die-hard resistors.
• Cultivating Willingness: Mary and Chris explore the power of starting small, with willing groups, to spark change across an organization. They share inspiring stories of how small beginnings can lead to big transformations, creating a ripple effect of engagement and acceptance.

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If you liked this episode, we'd be grateful for your Review on Apple Podcasts! linkedin.com Mary O'Carroll - Ironclad, Inc. | LinkedIn Please reach out if I can be helpful at all. I love to provide (free!) advice on scaling… · Experience: Ironclad, Inc. · Location: San Francisco Bay Area · 500+ connections on LinkedIn. View Mary O'Carroll's profile on LinkedIn, a professional community of 1 billion members. linkedin.com Ironclad | LinkedIn Ironclad | 26,262 followers on LinkedIn. Ironclad is the smart way to make and manage digital business contracts. Now powered by Ironclad AI. | Digitize your contracts with Ironclad, the world's #1 Contract Lifecycle Management (CLM) platform. Ironclad is the simple, secure way to create and collaborate on contracts, giving users an all-in-one, AI-powered experience.Every company runs on contracts, but managing these contracts slows companies down and costs them millions of dollars. YouTube Ironclad CLM Software Ironclad is the digital contract platform loved by modern business teams.Contracts are business decisions trapped in administrative tasks. Ironclad is software that does all the administrative work better left for a computer, freeing teams -- legal, sales, procurement, finance, HR, etc -- to do substantive work and drive business strategy.We believe contracts should be business assets. Some document management vendors focus on contracts as risk assets: documents that, when poorly managed, expose companies to significant, surprising risks. While not knowing what's in your contracts can certainly be dangerous, we prefer to focus on the valuable intelligence you can extract from them to drive… Show more Apple Podcasts ‎Pearls On, Gloves Off - Legal Operations, Contracting, Change Management, and Career Growth on Apple Podcasts

In this solo episode, Mary O'Carroll shares her insights on Contract Lifecycle Management (CLM). She explores:

• The Challenges of Contracts: Overview of common issues in contract processes and the potential for improvement.
• Ownership of CLM: Advocates for General Counsel to lead CLM processes, highlighting the strategic value of contracts data.
• Evolution of CLM Technology: From basic database systems to modern, comprehensive CLM solutions that facilitate collaboration and integration.
• Selecting a CLM Vendor: Tips on navigating the CLM market, the role of AI in CLM, and strategies for adoption.
• Implementation Strategies: Advice on aligning stakeholders, scoping requirements, and launching a successful CLM project.
• The Future of Contract Management: The impact of AI on CLM, improving processes, and unlocking business insights.

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In this compelling episode of "Pearls On, Gloves Off," Mary hosts Mike Russell, a seasoned expert in legal operations and legal technology with a career spanning over three decades. From the dawn of internet technology in law firms to the current emphasis on efficiency and innovation, Mike shares invaluable insights into the evolution of legal ops and tech.

• The Journey Through Legal Tech Evolution: Discover Mike's early experiences in the 90s with the advent of internet technology in law firms, shaping his profound understanding of legal operations, time billing, and the billable hour concept.

• Legal Ops and Legal Tech Synergy: Mike discusses the parallel growth of legal operations and technology over the past decade, highlighting the shift from a focus on profitability to efficiency and the reduction of waste within legal processes.

• A Guide to Metrics and KPIs: Co-authoring a book on metrics and KPIs, Mike offers practical advice on capturing data, presenting it effectively to General Counsels, and making data actionable through visual presentation.

• Performance Indicators and Efficiency: Emphasizing the importance of spend metrics, performance tracking, and the analysis of work origin and complexity, Mike shares how these indicators can offer deep insights into legal operations efficiency.

• Simplifying Technology in Data Analysis: Advocating for simplicity in technological systems, Mike discusses the significance of tailoring data presentation to the audience's needs and the potential of natural language query tools to revolutionize data accessibility.

• Starting Your Metrics Journey: For those embarking on their journey with KPIs and metrics, Mike recommends leveraging community resources, understanding organizational needs, and fostering cross-departmental relationships to highlight the value of legal operations.

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Episode: Leadership and Learning with Darek Kochman

Mary O'Carroll talks with Darek Kochman, Director of Global Legal Operations at Kimberly-Clark Corp, about his journey from the military to leading global operations. Here's what they cover:

• Diverse Background: Darek's path through the military, KPMG, and into legal operations showcases a non-traditional approach to leadership.

• Key Leadership Imperatives: Darek outlines his leadership principles:

  • Culture: The importance of understanding organizational culture.
  • Learning Velocity: The ability to quickly learn and adapt.
  • Selfless Service: Leadership focused on collective success.

• Leading without Authority: They discuss the challenges of influencing without formal authority, especially relevant in legal operations.

• Community Openness: Darek highlights the legal operations community's willingness to share insights and support peers.

• Personal Growth: Darek shares insights on learning to be a better family member, emphasizing leadership lessons in personal life.

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