On this BONUS episode of The Marriage Life Coach Podcast, Marriage MBA client Cielle Amundson joins me to talk about the time I broke her brain 🤯 and what that lightbulb moment led to in her own relationship.

Cielle has a doctorate in education and served as a university professor and dean for 20 years before retiring to become a life coach.

We talk a lot in The Marriage MBA about how we're impacted by the values of Western culture when it comes to productivity, achievement, and working to exhaustion. Cielle shares her experiences of the drive to always do more, get more, and be more while struggling with her enoughness as a person.

During Cielle's time in the Marriage MBA, she realized she could show up as someone with inherent value, completely independent of what she had or hadn't done or achieved. Listen to her story today as she explains how by creating that peace for herself, she created the capacity for a thriving relationship.

A few more things from our conversation that will light you up!

• Honoring the various (energetic, seasonal) cycles we experience as humans

• The 3 pillars I teach for any relationship to thrive, plus why I added a 4th pillar

• Treating your desire like it matters, because it does

• Understanding that your relationship with yourself is at the root of everything