“What happens when we bring intentionality and authenticity to every conversation?” In this episode of the Say More series, Jesse and Lindsey kick things off by discussing why curiosity is the secret to making deeper connections. Then, they’re joined by executive and life coach Jennifer Nickel, who helps leaders transform relationships through intentional communication. Jennifer shares practical insights on active listening, asking questions that invite real connection, and staying fully present. For anyone frustrated by surface-level exchanges or longing for more meaningful connections, Jennifer’s advice is a game-changer. The episode concludes with actionable steps to cultivate curiosity, practice empathy, and deepen every interaction, from professional settings to personal relationships.

Connect with Jenn: www.jlnconsultants.com

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“How do we find healing for the unwanted sexual behaviors in our lives?” In this episode of the Say More series, Jesse and Lindsey begin by exploring the importance of closure in conversations and how it deepens authentic connection. Then, Jesse sits down with Nick Stumbo, Executive Director of Pure Desire Ministries, who opens up about his own journey through pornography addiction and the path to freedom. Nick sheds light on how secrecy, shame, and family dynamics fuel unwanted sexual behaviors, sharing powerful insights on breaking free through vulnerability and supportive community. This conversation is essential for anyone seeking to understand how past wounds impact present struggles—and how openness can lead to genuine transformation.

Connect with Nick and Pure Desire Ministries: puredesire.org

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“How does our anxiety impact our kids?” In this episode of the Say More series on the art of conversation, Jesse and Lindsey begin by exploring how an other-focused approach in conversations can deepen connection and empathy. Then, Jesse sits down with Sissy Goff, Executive Director of Daystar Counseling Ministries and a leading voice on childhood anxiety. Sissy shares how family dynamics and parental anxieties directly shape children’s emotional health and resilience. She offers practical insights on managing your own anxiety to model calmness for your kids, along with strategies for helping them navigate their fears. With humor and warmth, Sissy highlights why curiosity and connection are key to combating anxiety within the family. The episode wraps up with actionable advice for parents looking to break generational cycles of anxiety and raise resilient, confident kids.

Connect with Sissy: www.instagram.com/sissygoff/?hl=en

Sissy's podcast: www.raisingboysandgirls.com

Daystar Counseling Ministries: www.daystarcounseling.com

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“How can we ensure others feel seen and valued in the here and now?” For those struggling to show up fully for others—especially in a divided world—this episode of the Say More series offers clarity and direction. Jesse and Lindsey start by exploring how intentional questions can build deeper, more meaningful connections. Then, Lindsey interviews Faitth Brooks—activist, author, and host of Melanated Faith—who shares her passion for honoring and supporting others in real time, especially those often overlooked. Faitth discusses her own journey through racial justice work and the inspiration behind her book Remember Me Now, shedding light on how we can foster empathy, bridge divides, and make those in our lives feel seen and valued today. Listeners will come away with practical advice on overcoming discomfort, showing up with authenticity, and creating inclusive communities that celebrate each other fully.

Connect with Faitth: www.faitthbrooks.com

Books from Faitth: www.faitthbrooks.com/remembermenow

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“How do our early relationships shape how we connect with others?” In this Say More episode, Jesse and Lindsey explore the power of intentionality in conversation—how asking thoughtful, meaningful questions can foster deeper connections. Then, Jesse sits down with Dr. Anita Knight Kuhnley, a leading expert in attachment theory and author of The Four Relationship Styles. Dr. Anita breaks down the four attachment styles—Firefighter, Investigator, Security Guard, and Networker—explaining how each one forms and impacts the way we relate to others. From childhood experiences of neglect or trauma to the strategies we develop to survive, Dr. Anita offers profound insights into how attachment patterns shape our relationships as adults. She also discusses how these styles influence our connection with God and provides guidance on healing from unhealthy attachment wounds. The episode wraps up with practical advice on how to identify your attachment style and cultivate healthier, more secure relationships.

Connect with Dr. Kuhnley: dranitakuhnley.com

Books from Dr. Kuhnley: dranitakuhnley.com/collections/all

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“How can we encounter God in the midst of our unmet longings?” As we continue the Say More series on the art of conversation, Jesse and Lindsey open by exploring how body language fosters trust and connection. Then, Lindsey sits down with pastor and author Trevor Hudson, who shares his journey of spiritual discovery, resilience, and finding joy in unexpected places. Trevor reflects on how embracing our deepest desires and disappointments can open us to a more authentic relationship with God. He discusses the transformative power of the Ignatian exercises, offers wisdom on holding both joy and sorrow, and challenges listeners to “walk in the light” by letting go of duplicity and living with genuine authenticity. The conversation wraps up with practical guidance for anyone seeking to deepen their faith while navigating life’s complex realities.

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Trevor's book: Seeking God

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“How do we stay grounded and true to ourselves in high-stress environments?” In this episode of the Say More series, Jesse and Lindsey begin by discussing the value of preparing for difficult conversations, offering practical tips on setting the stage for open, constructive dialogue. Then, Jesse interviews Mike Alexander, a former police chief, ethics expert, and Enneagram teacher, who shares insights from his 40-year journey in law enforcement. Mike reveals how personal healing transformed his leadership, equipping him to face the ethical and emotional challenges of his career. His story shows how integrity, faith, and community support can help us confront our own brokenness and inspire meaningful change. The episode wraps up with actionable advice for those striving to lead with authenticity and build deeper connections with others.

Connect with Mike: https://www.thelion.institute/

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“How does our family of origin shape our relationships?” As part of the Say More series, Jesse and Lindsey begin with a discussion on the importance of self-awareness in building trust and understanding. Then, Lindsey sits down with marriage experts Steve and Lisa Call, co-founders of the Reconnect Institute, to explore how our family histories impact our closest relationships. Steve and Lisa share candid insights into healing family-of-origin wounds, the transformative power of vulnerability, and staying connected even when life gets messy. With wisdom from decades of marriage, they offer guidance on holding both joy and sorrow, seeing our partner as both beautiful and broken, and cultivating authentic intimacy. The episode closes with practical advice for those longing to build deeper, healthier relationships.

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“How does grief change us, and can it be put to good use?” In this episode of the Say More series, Jesse and Lindsey explore the concept of “marveling” in conversations—finding moments of awe and wonder together. Then, Lindsey sits down with John Onwuchekwa, an Atlanta-based pastor, entrepreneur, and author, to discuss how profound loss and grief have shaped his journey. John shares his story of facing unexpected tragedy, grappling with ambiguous loss, and learning to hold both sorrow and joy. Through his experiences with faith and community, John offers valuable insights on how hope can emerge even in life’s darkest moments. The episode wraps up with practical advice for navigating grief, building resilience, and discovering meaning amid life’s challenges.

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“How does faith guide us through political and cultural conflicts?” In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey continue their teaching on the art of conversation. Then, Lindsey sits down with author and theologian Kaitlyn Schiess to dive into the intersection of faith, politics, and personal growth. Kaitlyn opens up about navigating her identity as both a Type 3 and a follower of Christ in polarized times. Reflecting on her journey from aspiring lawyer to theology student, she shares how her military-family upbringing shaped her resilience and drive for success. In a thoughtful conversation, Kaitlyn encourages listeners to hold space for differing perspectives and offers insights on engaging with faith and politics in ways that foster true connection and compassion. The episode wraps up with a fun lightning round, where Kaitlyn reveals her favorite dessert and the least Type 3 thing she’s ever done.

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