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  • Ep.6.17 Energy Part 1: The Importance of Energy Awareness in Systems Coaching

    Energy Part 1: The Importance of Energy Awareness in Systems Coaching

    What you’ll gain from this episode:

    • An understanding of why energy awareness is essential in Relationship work.
    • Strategies for tuning into energy, in yourself, and with others
    • Awareness of why being aware of your energy is essential as a coach
    • Using energy to create a certain impact 
    • An awareness of the power of energy to shift emotional fields. 


    Molly Flanagan has over 18 years of experience as a coach, facilitator, and organizational culture expert, bringing a unique blend of professional expertise and deep holistic practices to her work. Her global perspective as a United Nations international civil servant has shaped her approach, guiding clients through complex transitions with compassion, clarity, and vision. At the heart of her mission is the cultivation of intimacy, embodiment, and flourishing within human systems, while building a more vibrant, just future for all. Molly’s clients are purpose-driven leaders and organizations ready to expand their impact and redesign their lives and workplaces with courage, creativity, and care.

    For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

    We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

    36 min
  • Ep.6.16 The Reflective Practitioner Part 3: Reimagining Systems Through the Power of Reflective Practice

    What you’ll gain from this episode:

    • An understanding of how to use reflective practice to update and reimagine the stories we tell ourselves
    • An awareness of reflective practice as a powerful ally for crossing edges.
    • Insight into how reflective practice can create space within our internal landscape.
    • Using reflective practice as a tool for understanding the themes and patterns of our lives.
    • Vulnerable examples from Alfred about how reflective practice has helped him to build relationship with different parts of himself.


    Alfred De Pew  is a cultural worker, writer, painter and process facilitator who has taught a the Universities of Vermont & New Hampshire, the Maine Arts college, and Haystack Mountain School of Crafts. His writing workshops have been sponsored by The Maine Writers and Publishers Alliance and various community programs throughout the United States and Canada. He served for several years on the faculty of CRR Global as an individual supervisor, certification cohort leader, front of room leader and director of supervision. He lives in Vancouver BC where he offers spiritual accompaniment, astrological consultation, energy work, support for community leader, clergy, writers, artists, intuitive and healing arts practitioners. 

    For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

    We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

    33 min
  • Ep.6.15 The Reflective Practitioner Part 2: Exploring Deep Listening Through Reflective Practice

    What you’ll gain from this episode:

    • The significance of unfolding in the process of reflective practice.
    • An understanding of the importance of slowing down and feeling into the body in reflective practice.
    • Ways to enlist the help of the observer, as opposed to blocking them through interpretation and judgement.
    • Techniques for deepening signals that show up in reflective practice so that we can amplify and understand them more deeply. 
    • Examples from Alfred and Katie that demonstrate how inner work can impact our outer world.


    Alfred De Pew is a cultural worker, writer, painter and process facilitator who has taught a the Universities of Vermont & New Hampshire, the Maine Arts college, and Haystack Mountain School of Crafts. His writing workshops have been sponsored by The Maine Writers and Publishers Alliance and various community programs throughout the United States and Canada. He served for several years on the faculty of CRR Global as an individual supervisor, certification cohort leader, front of room leader and director of supervision. He lives in Vancouver BC where he offers spiritual accompaniment, astrological consultation, energy work, support for community leader, clergy, writers, artists, intuitive and healing arts practitioners. 

    For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

    We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

    34 min
  • Ep.6.14 The Reflective Practitioner Part 1: The Foundations of Reflective Practice

    What you’ll gain from this episode:

    • An insight into the power of reflective practice as a tool for understanding ourselves better in relationship to the world.
    • Awareness of how to build reflective practice into your life through journalling, free-writing and drawing.
    • Ways to allow our authentic voice to emerge in reflective practice, without editing it out or blocking.
    • Techniques that will help you to sit in the process rather than focus on the output or destination.
    • Colourful examples from Alfred about the influential impact of journaling in his life as a teacher, coach and mentor.


    Alfred De Pew is a cultural worker, writer, painter and process facilitator who has taught a the Universities of Vermont & New Hampshire, the Maine Arts college, and Haystack Mountain School of Crafts. His writing workshops have been sponsored by The Maine Writers and Publishers Alliance and various community programs throughout the United States and Canada. He served for several years on the faculty of CRR Global as an individual supervisor, certification cohort leader, front of room leader and director of supervision. He lives in Vancouver BC where he offers spiritual accompaniment, astrological consultation, energy work, support for community leader, clergy, writers, artists, intuitive and healing arts practitioners. 

    For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

    We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

    40 min
  • Ep.6.13 What Story is Your Team Telling?

    Is the story you're telling expansive or limiting? In this episode of the Relationship Matters podcast, Kiki Kesseler and host Katie Churchman discuss the importance of the narrative in coaching. Kiki, a CRR Global faculty member with 20 years of experiences, emphasizes how stories shape our reality and agency. She shares recollections that highlight the need for conscious and intentional storytelling.

    What you’ll gain from this episode:

    1.        Greater awareness of the power of storytelling in everyday life

    2.        An understanding of stories as lenses we look through that shape our lives

    3.        Tools for changing or updating unhelpful or outdated narratives

    4.        How to empower ourselves and others by shifting the narrative

    5.        Vulnerable examples from Kiki and Katie about some of the stories they have worked with in their personal lives.


    Kiki Kesseler is a CRR Global faculty member for both courses and the certification programme. Kiki focuses on people development and brings 20+ years of experience in cultural diversity, coaching, training, and team management across various industries, with corporate roles in Sales & Marketing, Business Development, and Training. She specializes in team development, conflict resolution, leadership skills, and systemic coaching. Originally from The Netherlands, she speaks Dutch, English, and German. Her cross-cultural experience was established through living in Austria, the United States, Germany and the UAE over the past 18 years, working within culturally diverse environments, organizations and teams.

    For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

    We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

    40 min
  • Ep.6.12 Team Coaching Masterclass: A deep-dive into working with teams

    In this Masterclass episode, we'll dive deep into team coaching—a practice transforming how teams collaborate, communicate, and achieve extraordinary results. In this compilation episode, we’ve handpicked some of the most insightful moments from our archives to bring you the essential principles, strategies, and tools that every coach, leader, or team member needs to know.

    So, whether you’re coaching a team through a tough transition, looking to boost collaboration, or simply passionate about helping teams thrive, this episode is for you. Get ready to be inspired, challenged, and equipped with the insights you need to elevate your coaching practice and create high-performing teams.

    Guests featured in this Masterclass episode (all hyperlinked to their respective episodes) are as follows:

    • S.4.23 Martin Klever
    • S.4.6 Faith Fuller
    • S.3.5 Maddie Weinreich
    • S.3.18 Floyd Carlson
    • S.4.13 Marita Fridjhon
    • S.3.19 Terrance Turpin
    • S.4.5 Lori Shook
    • S.5.6 Marita Fridjhon
    • S.5.18 Judy van Zon & Faith Fuller



    Masterclass Series: This is a specially curated collection of episodes from the podcast archives designed to provide both a taster of the Organizational & Relationship Systems Coaching (ORSC) approach and a valuable refresher on its breadth and potential. Each episode explores key concepts and themes of the ORSC approach, offering practical insights on enhancing relationships, managing change, and fostering collaboration in various contexts. Join us to learn how ORSC can help you build stronger, more resilient systems in both personal and professional spheres.

    Other episodes in the Masterclass series include:

    • ORSC Essentials: A Primer on Organizational & Relationship Systems Coaching
    • Emotional Intelligence Masterclass: A deep dive into self-awareness & personal growth


    For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

    We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

    59 min
  • Ep.6.11 Breaking Free: Overcoming Toxic Patterns in Relationship

    In this episode, Katie Churchman talks with CRR Global faculty member and UK partner Nairy McMahon about toxic communication and overcoming unhealthy patterns in our relationships. Across this conversation, they discuss and explore how to break free from unskill communication patterns by raising awareness, creating space, and owning what we want in a relationship.  

    What you’ll gain from this episode:

    1. Insight into different types of toxic communication patterns in relationships.
    2. An understanding of how toxic communication patterns can become normalized and unconscious in our relationships.
    3. Ways to become more aware of these signals or patterns in our relationships. 
    4. Tools that enable us to be more at choice and more conscious of how we show up in our everyday conversations.
    5. Vulnerable and authentic examples from Nairy and Katie about how these unskillful communication patterns appear in their lives, professionally and personally.

    Click here to listen to Nariy and Katie's previous conversation on Exploring our Relationship with the Toxins.

    Nairy McMahon is CRR Global’s Director of Business Development, faculty member and Head of CRR UK. She is a CTI-trained coach and ORSC Certified practitioner with a corporate background, having worked in banking and property development. She has spent the past 10 years collaborating and running a private investment company in London. She also has acted as a business advisor to a number of start-ups. She has a strong interest in teams, especially culturally diverse teams and has lived on four continents.

    For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

    We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

    43 min
  • Ep.6.10 Learning from the Third Entity: Unlocking the Power of Shared Growth

    In the second of this two-part mini-series on the Third Entity, CRR Global faculty members Yuri Morikawa and Fuyuo Sato dive deeper into the concept of the Third Entity, exploring how to lead with it and learn from it. This episode focuses on unlocking the power of shared growth, demonstrating how the Third Entity becomes a teacher and a guide in co-coaching and co-facilitating relationships. Yuri and Fuyuo share stories and strategies for navigating challenges, fostering collaboration, and embracing the unexpected lessons that emerge from the relationship itself. Through practical examples and thought-provoking insights, they illustrate how the Third Entity can help co-coaches and co-leaders grow together while creating richer, more dynamic relationships. 

    What You’ll Gain from This Episode:

    1. How to “listen” to the Third Entity and respond to its needs.
    2. Techniques for staying curious and open to learning within partnerships.
    3. Ways to leverage challenges as opportunities for mutual growth.
    4. Insights into the transformative power of shared leadership.
    5. Practices to continuously evolve and strengthen your collaborative relationships.

    Click here to listen to part one: Laying the Foundation for Strong Relationships.


    Fuyuo Sato is a senior faculty member at CRR Global and an experienced coach with a passion for transforming relationships in teams and organizations. He began his career as a teacher before taking an in-house position as a coach for his coworkers at the school he was working at in Tokyo. Since becoming an independent coach, he has worked on a variety of organizational development initiatives, mostly in the APAC region, with both large multinational corporations and local small businesses. He has supported his client teams in becoming more autonomous and self-sustainable. He now lives in the forested area of Nagano with his wife and two cats as part of his experiment to explore the right relationship between nature and human society.

    Yuri Morikawa has been a professional coach since 2004, training and coaching over 1,000 leaders and coaches worldwide, including corporate executives, NGO leaders, and entrepreneurs. Previously, she worked as a management consultant specializing in organizational and leadership development for 13 years. Yuri is a global faculty member of CRR Global and the founder of CRR Japan, where she launched the ORSC program in 2009. Passionate about social impact, she collaborates with NGOs like the Kamonohashi Project and Asia Rural Institute, focusing on leadership development and social change in Asia and Africa.


    For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

    We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

    36 min
  • Ep.6.9 Building the Third Entity: Laying the Foundation for Strong Relationships

    What is the Third Entity, and how can we get even more deliberate in working with it? It's a key idea in systems inspired coaching, since we work directly with the unique and dynamic "personality" that is created when two people come together in relationship. In this first episode of a two-part series, CRR Global faculty members Yuri Morikawa and Fuyuo Sato explore how they foster trust, alignment, and creativity by intentionally cultivating their Third Entity.

    Through personal insights and professional experiences, Yuri and Fuyuo share foundational principles for building strong relationships and provide actionable strategies to enhance collaboration. Whether you’re a coach, facilitator, or leader, this episode will deepen your understanding of relational dynamics and set the stage for more effective and meaningful partnerships.

    What You’ll Gain from This Episode:

    1. Learn what the Third Entity is and why focusing on the relationship itself can transform your co-coaching and co-facilitation partnerships.
    2. Discover how to set the foundation for strong relationships through clear agreements, role clarity, and shared values.
    3. Gain insights on how to turn diverse styles and perspectives into strengths that drive creativity and alignment.
    4. Explore practical tips for improving communication, including active listening, feedback exchange, and fostering curiosity.
    5. Learn how to maintain and nurture the Third Entity over time with regular check-ins, reflections, and adaptive practices.


    Fuyuo Sato is a senior faculty member at CRR Global and an experienced coach with a passion for transforming relationships in teams and organizations. He began his career as a teacher before taking an in-house position as a coach for his coworkers at the school he was working at in Tokyo. Since becoming an independent coach, he has worked on a variety of organizational development initiatives, mostly in the APAC region, with both large multinational corporations and local small businesses. He has supported his client teams in becoming more autonomous and self-sustainable. He now lives in the forested area of Nagano with his wife and two cats as part of his experiment to explore the right relationship between nature and human society.

    Yuri Morikawa has been a professional coach since 2004, training and coaching over 1,000 leaders and coaches worldwide, including corporate executives, NGO leaders, and entrepreneurs. Previously, she worked as a management consultant specializing in organizational and leadership development for 13 years. Yuri is a global faculty member of CRR Global and the founder of CRR Japan, where she launched the ORSC program in 2009. Passionate about social impact, she collaborates with NGOs like the Kamonohashi Project and Asia Rural Institute, focusing on leadership development and social change in Asia and Africa.

    For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

    We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

    40 min
  • Ep.6.8 Emotional Intelligence Masterclass

    In this Masterclass on Emotional Intelligence, we'll explore self-awareness—a critical skill for personal growth, effective leadership, and nurturing meaningful relationships. In this Masterclass, we’ve curated a series of insightful clips from some of our most powerful episodes, each offering unique perspectives and practical strategies for enhancing emotional intelligence. Whether you want to improve your relationships or enhance your professional interactions, this episode is packed with practical wisdom and strategies to help you develop and refine your emotional intelligence.

    Guests featured in this Masterclass episode (all hyperlinked to their respective episodes) are as follows:

    • S.5.10 Judy Van Zon & Irith Koster
    • S.3.8 Floyd Carlson 
    • S.4.11 Cynthia Loy Darst 
    • S.4.30 Kiki Kesseler
    • S.5.19 Rebecca Hou & Jie Zhou
    • S.5.18 Neil Edwards
    • S.4.26 Mike Holton
    • S.5.13 Yuri Morikawa
    • S.4.9 Marita Fridjhon
    • S.5.9 Suncica Getter


    Masterclass Series: This is a specially curated collection of episodes from the podcast archives designed to provide both a taster of the Organizational & Relationship Systems Coaching (ORSC) approach and a valuable refresher on its breadth and potential. Each episode explores key concepts and themes of the ORSC approach, offering practical insights on enhancing relationships, managing change, and fostering collaboration in various contexts. Join us to learn how ORSC can help you build stronger, more resilient systems in both personal and professional spheres.

    Other episodes in the Masterclass series include:

    • ORSC Essentials: A Primer on Organizational & Relationship Systems Coaching


    For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

    We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

    1 hr 12 min

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