A re-release of one of our most important "Outlaws" episodes.

U.S. Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett finds a pocket of time between floor votes at the U.S. House of Representatives to join TS Madison for a powerful, no-nonsense conversation about the pivotal era of American History that we are living through. We are deeply proud to have Representative Crockett as part of the "Outlaws" story. We’ll be back with brand-new episodes on January 20th, 2026, but in the meantime we feel strongly that this one is worth a second listen. 

We recorded this conversation on the very day our series premiere with Tina Knowles aired, before the show had even found its footing or audience. Congresswoman Crockett enthusiastically showed up anyway, and that kind of solidarity with TS Madison and her following is something we will never forget. Now, as she runs for the U.S. Senate, and as we face Year 2 of the current administration, her words of wisdom in this episode feel even more urgent and enduring.

In this episode, Madison speaks candidly about her fears for democracy and for the safety of not only trans community, but also for leaders such as Rep. Crockett who continue to fearlessly advocate for the most vulnerable among us. Rep. Crockett breaks down how she handles the current President’s constant attacks on her intelligence and why he seems so fixated on her when there is so much else burning. Together, they unpack the “find out” phase the country is living through, Project 2025, and what it means to keep showing up when you are being dismissed not just by the other side, but by people who are supposed to be on yours.

They also talk about the dangerous complacency of the “we survived Trump 1.0, we’ll be fine” crowd who are now eating their words; what it's like to live between D.C., Texas, and the sky; Elon Musk; and what it costs to be a Black woman in public life who refuses to shrink. Rep. Crockett reflects on the irony that the constituents in rural communities are the ones most dependent on things she fights for, like SNAP benefits, yet are often represented by politicians actively working to gut it. 

As Rep. Crockett now runs for the U.S. Senate, this clear-eyed conversation beautifully exemplifies why voices like hers matter so much right now. If you want to understand what leadership looks like in this moment, start here.

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