Belgian psychotherapist Esther Perel is a giant in the world of sex and relationships.

Her groundbreaking therapy work with couples around the globe, her writing and her unflinching podcast Where Should We Begin? have revealed the conflicts between our expectations and the reality of long-term human relationships and sexuality.

While in Australia as part of Vivid Live, Esther joined Nat in the studio to unpack — and rethink — everything we’ve come to assume about dating and relationships.