"Second Opinion" with Christina Farr, Ash Zenooz MD & Luba Greenwood JD

In this episode of Second Opinion, Christina Farr is joined by Carine Carmy, CEO of Origin to discuss the overlooked aspects of women's healthcare, a case for a physical clinic, and funding stigmatized fields within the complex healthcare landscape. Carine shares valuable insights on scaling the business, the importance of evidence-based care, and the future of pelvic health, including the potential impact of AI and digital health.

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Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2HwSNeVLL1MXy0RjFPyOSz

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ThisWontLastpodcast 

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LINKS:

Subscribe to Second Opinion Newsletter: https://secondopinion.media/ 

Origin: https://www.theoriginway.com/ 

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(01:43) The origin story of Origin

(03:31) Challenges in women's health

(04:02) Understanding pelvic floor therapy

(05:10) Pain and gaslighting in healthcare

(07:39) Building a business in women's health

(10:16) Navigating health plan coverage

(13:51) Sponsor: Awell

(15:02) Scaling and fundraising challenges

(17:42) Clinic setup and expansion

(25:36) The importance of evidence-based care

(29:05) Wrap

In this episode of Second Opinion, hosts Christina Farr, Ash Zenooz, and Luba Greenwood dive into the intricacies of the behavioral health industry with Alex Katz, CEO of Two Chairs. They discuss the misconceptions and challenges within the mental health system, the importance of finding the right therapeutic fit, and the impact of venture capital in driving both quality and accessibility in mental health services. Alex highlights the need for personalized care, the evolving perception of therapy thanks to platforms like TikTok, and the potential and limitations of AI in therapy, emphasizing the irreplaceable value of human therapists.

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Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/id1765665937

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2HwSNeVLL1MXy0RjFPyOSz

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ThisWontLastpodcast

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Investor Erik Torenberg interviews partners at the top VCs in the world to learn their approach to the art and science of building a successful venture firm.

Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1701006772

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Yb8ErLRnyoAqn4Y6NegTx

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LINKS:

Subscribe to Second Opinion Newsletter: https://secondopinion.media/ 

Two Chairs: http://www.twochairs.com/ 

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TIMESTAMPS:

00:00 Intro

01:14 Behavioral health industry insights

02:04 Alex Katz's journey with Two Chairs

05:02 Navigating the mental health landscape

08:22 Business models in mental health

14:04 Barriers to mental health access

16:08 Sponsor: Awell

19:56 Behavioral health companies and cost reduction

22:00 The crisis in therapy retention

23:41 Youth mental health challenges

25:40 Gen Z and therapy culture

29:14 The importance of hybrid care models

31:31 Skepticism around ai therapists

36:00 The Debrief

In this episode of Second Opinion, Leslie Schrock, author of Bumpin' and Fertility Rules, joins Christina Farr, Ash Zenooz, and Luba Greenwood to discuss women's health, men's health, and fertility. They dive into why men need to be more involved in fertility and pregnancy conversations (it's not just a women's issue!). They address the gaps in women's health research, including the lack of understanding about how drugs and diets (like intermittent fasting) affect women differently than men. Leslie emphasizes the need for more honest, comprehensive information about pregnancy and women's health. They also discuss the potential future of women's health companies and the need for a more holistic approach to addressing health concerns beyond reproductive issues.

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Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1765665937

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2HwSNeVLL1MXy0RjFPyOSz

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ThisWontLastpodcast

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SPONSOR: AWELL

Transform your healthcare operations with Awell! Say goodbye to manual work and Excel hell. Awell's CareOps orchestration platform helps design, implement, and improve care flows in days. Trusted by Astrana Health, Commons Clinic, and Better Health, Awell automates processes for faster care model improvements in 2 days or less. Visit awellhealth.com and mention Second Opinion for a free bootcamp.

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LINKS:

Subscribe to Second Opinion Newsletter: https://secondopinion.media/ 

Bumpin: https://www.amazon.com/Bumpin-Pregnancy-Navigating-Wonderful-Conception/dp/198213044X 

Fertility Rules: https://www.amazon.com/Fertility-Rules-Definitive-Female-Reproductive-ebook/dp/B0BHTLCWZ7 

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Leslie: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leslieschrock/ 

Christina: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christinafarr/

Luba: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lubagreenwood/

Ash: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashzenooz/

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(01:37) Leslie Schrock's personal journey

(02:57) The reality of pregnancy

(06:55) Understanding fertility and ovulation

(08:47) Challenges in women's health education

(13:50) Sponsor: Awell

(15:00) Investing in women's health

(25:54) Understanding drug metabolism in women

(26:09) Men's role in women's health

(26:38) The importance of inclusive pregnancy literature

(28:45) Heart health: gender differences and misconceptions

(30:50) Birth control and stroke risks

(31:46) Challenges in women's health research

(37:11) The impact of nutrition and fasting on women's health

(39:19) Future of women's health companies

(41:09) Suggestions on future books and research in women's health

(43:55) Wrap

(46:07) The debrief

In this episode of Second Opinion, hosts Christina Farr, Ash Zenooz, and Luba Greenwood sit down with Owen Tripp, the CEO of Included Health. They discuss digital health models, the challenges and opportunities in selling directly to employers, growing digital health companies, and the potential return to a more personalized, concierge-style primary care model to actually make a difference in people's health.

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST:

🎙️ This Won't Last - Eavesdrop on Keith Rabois, Kevin Ryan, Logan Bartlett, and Zach Weinberg's monthly backchannel. They unpack their hottest takes on the future of tech, business, venture, investing, and politics.

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1765665937

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2HwSNeVLL1MXy0RjFPyOSz

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ThisWontLastpodcast

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SPONSOR: AWELL

Transform your healthcare operations with Awell! Say goodbye to manual work and Excel hell. Awell's CareOps orchestration platform helps design, implement, and improve care flows in days. Trusted by Astrana Health, Commons Clinic, and Better Health, Awell automates processes for faster care model improvements in 2 days or less. Visit https://awellhealth.com and mention Second Opinion for a free bootcamp.

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LINKS: 

Subscribe to Second Opinion Newsletter: https://secondopinion.media/ 

Thinking of selling into the employer? You probably shouldn't: https://secondopinion.media/p/thinking-of-selling-into-the-employer 

The thing that is breaking digital health is marketing: https://secondopinion.media/p/the-thing-that-is-breaking-digital

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https://www.linkedin.com/in/christinafarr/

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https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashzenooz/

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(01:16) Owen Tripp's journey in digital health

(02:04) Challenges in healthcare vs. other sectors

(03:29) Building a business model in healthcare

(05:07) Grand Rounds: from concept to success

(08:07) The role of AI in healthcare

(13:48) Sponsor: Awell

(14:50) Growth strategies in digital health

(17:33) Selling digital health solutions to employers

(19:10) Cancer care and digital health

(22:22) Navigating employer sales

(26:12) Utilization and awareness of digital health services

(35:01) The future of digital health and primary care

(38:57) The Debrief

In this episode of Second Opinion, Meg FitzGerald, a nurse turned private equity investor, offers insights into how VCs and PEs are thinking of investing in healthcare and everything founders should know to raise from both. She discusses the slowdown in private equity deals due to high interest rates and market uncertainty, and highlights the merging of venture capital and private equity in healthcare, particularly in growth capital. She shares her experience transitioning from a clinical background to private equity, underscoring the value of healthcare expertise in investment decisions. Second Opinion is a podcast from Turpentine. Learn more: www.turpentine.co

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SPONSOR: AWELL

🌟 Transform your healthcare operations with Awell! Say goodbye to manual work and Excel hell. Awell's CareOps orchestration platform helps design, implement, and improve care flows in days. Trusted by Astrana Health, Commons Clinic, and Better Health, Awell automates processes for faster care model improvements in 2 days or less. Visit awellhealth.com and mention Second Opinion for a free bootcamp.

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Ash https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashzenooz/

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Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2HwSNeVLL1MXy0RjFPyOSz

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ThisWontLastpodcast

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(00:59) Meet Meg FitzGerald: Nurse and Private Equity Investor

(01:19) Private Equity in Healthcare: Current Market Dynamics

(03:09) Venture Capital vs. Private Equity in Healthcare

(05:00) Challenges and Opportunities in Health Tech

(11:23) The Role of Private Equity

(18:51) Awell

(19:49) Advice for Healthcare Professionals Entering Private Equity

(31:26) The debrief

(35:00) Wrap

In this eye-opening episode, Christina Farr and Luba Greenwood dive deep into the challenges big tech faces in healthcare with serial entrepreneur and Cherish CEO Sumit Nagpal. Drawing from his experience founding five companies over the past 25 years and his time working with Steve Jobs at NeXT, Nagpal offers unique insights into why tech giants struggle to gain traction in the medical world. They discuss: Apple's healthcare ambitions, the untapped potential of hardware in health tech, the importance of understanding healthcare business models, and how lessons from the diagnostics industry could shape the future of digital health innovation.

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SPONSOR: AWELL

🌟 Transform your healthcare operations with Awell! Say goodbye to manual work and Excel hell. Awell's CareOps orchestration platform helps design, implement, and improve care flows in days. Trusted by Astrana Health, Commons Clinic, and Better Health, Awell automates processes for faster care model improvements in 2 days or less. Visit awellhealth.com and mention Second Opinion for a free bootcamp.

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LINKS: 

Cherish Health: https://www.cherishhealth.com/

Subscribe to Second Opinion Newsletter: https://secondopinion.media/ 

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Ash https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashzenooz/

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Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2HwSNeVLL1MXy0RjFPyOSz

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ThisWontLastpodcast

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(02:04) Why big tech fails in healthcare

(05:00) Has Apple succeeded in becoming a healthcare company?

(08:44) Finding adjacencies

(10:11) Billionaires' health concerns driving tech investments

(14:19) Sponsor: Awell

(15:19) Revolving door of healthcare leaders in tech

(17:14) Culture clash in tech-healthcare partnerships

(19:26) NVIDIA's successful approach to healthcare

(20:21) Waystar IPO

(24:10) Limited options for health tech companies

(26:19) Diagnostics industry parallels with digital health

(28:22) Aligning Incentives

(31:54) "Follow the Money" approach to healthcare solutions

(34:41) The Debrief

In this episode of Second Opinion, hosts Christina Farr, Ash Zenooz, and Luba Greenwood are joined by Daphne Zohar, Founder and CEO of Seaport Therapeutics. They talk about the complexities of drug development, the investment in biotech via big tech VCs, and the future of mental health treatments. Daphne also shares her insights on biotech today, drug development misconceptions and complex regulatory challenges the industry is facing. Daphne was the founder, CEO and a Board Member of PureTech Health (Nasdaq: PRTC, LSE: PRTC) where she also co-founded PureTech’s entities, including Karuna Therapeutics (acquired by Bristol Myers Squibb).

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LINKS: 

Seaport Therapeutics: https://seaporttx.com/

Seaport Therapeutics $100M series A: https://seaporttx.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/20240409_press_release.pdf

PureTech: https://www.puretechhealth.com/ 

Karuna Therapeutics: https://karunatx.com/ 

Subscribe to Second Opinion Newsletter: https://secondopinion.media/ 

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Ash https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashzenooz/

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Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1765665937

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2HwSNeVLL1MXy0RjFPyOSz

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ThisWontLastpodcast

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(01:42) Daphne's Background and Achievements

(02:29) Challenges in Mental Health and Neuro Space

(05:52) Drug Development Journey and Challenges

(10:40) Opportunities and Challenges for Tech Investors in Biotech

(16:16) Regulatory Challenges and Industry Impact

(26:39) Biosecure Act and National Security

(28:02) The Debrief

On the first episode of Second Opinion, Christina Farr, Ash Zenooz, and Luba Greenwood chat with Dr. Robin Berzin, the Founder & CEO of Parsley Health. Robin shares her journey from being a physician to founding Parsley Health, a digital health company that uses root cause medicine to drive powerful outcomes for patients with complex health needs. She also talks about how breakthroughs in data and AI are helping redefine primary care with data-driven insights. They explore crucial healthcare questions like "Whose job is it to prevent chronic disease?" and discuss whether digital health can deliver on prevention, treatment, and longevity. They reflect on the shortcomings of primary care, the impact of the standard American diet on health, the latest studies on cortisol, and the importance of a holistic approach to medicine. Thank you to our sponsor Awell, the leading CareOps platform.

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SPONSOR: AWELL

🌟 Transform your healthcare operations with Awell! Say goodbye to manual work and Excel hell. Awell's CareOps orchestration platform helps design, implement, and improve care flows in days. Trusted by Astrana Health, Commons Clinic, and Better Health, Awell automates processes for faster care model improvements in 2 days or less. Visit awellhealth.com and mention Second Opinion for a free bootcamp.

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LINKS:

Subscribe to Robin’s Newsletter: https://robinberzinmd.com/ 

Subscribe to Parsley Health Newsletter: https://www.parsleyhealth.com/blog/category/news/ 

Parsley Health: https://www.parsleyhealth.com  

ARTICLES MENTIONED:

Health care's "churn" problem: https://secondopinion.media/p/health-cares-churn-problem 

How to balance cortisol levels to increase energy and lose weight: https://robinberzinmd.com/how-to-balance-cortisol-levels-to-increase-energy-and-lose-weight/ 

A Lot of What You’ve Heard About Cortisol Is Wrong: https://www.wsj.com/health/wellness/cortisol-stress-hormone-adrenal-fatigue-02aab49a 

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(02:30) Robin Berzin's Journey: From Physician to CEO of Parsley Health

(07:11) Functional Medicine (aka Root Cause Medicine) and Parsley Health

(09:31) Challenges in Traditional Healthcare

(11:06) The Role of AI and Data in Healthcare

(14:34) Whose Job Is It To Prevent Chronic Disease?

(21:19) SPONSOR: Awell Health

(22:22) Healthcare’s “Churn” Problem, Insurance and Healthcare Costs

(27:57) Partnering with Insurance Companies

(30:43) How Diet and Lifestyle Impact Health

(34:34) The Role of Cortisol in the Body

(36:32) Wrap

This podcast is part of the Turpentine podcast network. Learn more: turpentine.co

Second Opinion doesn't hold back. Join Christina Farr, Ash Zenooz, Luba Greenwood, as they bring influential entrepreneurs, experts and investors into the ring for candid conversations at the frontlines of healthcare and digital health every week. Episode 1 with Robin Berzin, CEO of Parsley Health, will be available starting on July 31, 2024. Subscribe to Second Opinion wherever you get your podcasts. Learn more at https://www.podpage.com/secondopinion/

Til then, meet your hosts: 

This season, we’re tackling meaty topics like biosecurity, the latest in telemedicine, why patient acquisition is so hard, and the pros and cons of VC versus private equity in funding startups in the healthtech space.