If Brodie sounds different it's because she's 35 now. That's not a prime number, which is the focus of Kate's new (bad) spy show. Let's call a croquembouche a croquembouche! Sorry for spoiling the fourth Twilight movie for you.

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We've got lots of movies to get into, in varying degrees of detail.

• BABYGIRL from 17:25 – 30:47 (some spoilers!)
• QUEER from 31mins – 41:26
• EMILIA PEREZ from 41:27 – 52mins
• CONCLAVE from 52:30 – 56:28
• A COMPLETE UNKNOWN from 56:30 through to our Also Alsos this week.

Speaking of!!

Also Alsos

• Palace Coffee on Ridgway Place
• Melbourne Cinematheque's 2025 season
• SNL 50 – Beyond Saturday Night on Binge
• Kate Berlant in Sydney & Melbourne
• Chao Ban – Viet Sticky Rice (XÔI XÉO) pop-up Every Weds & Thurs in Feb from 5pm at Henry Sugar – 296 Rathdowne street, Carlton North.
• The Sundays "Reading Writing Arithmetic" from 1990

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This week Kate Jinx is joined by comedian & film lover/critic/chameleon Alexei Toliopoulos to talk about Gillian Armstrong's 1982 film with that "little something extra" – Starstruck! A musical extravaganza that is So Sydney, complete with a pub under a Harbour Bridge pylon, a talent show at the Sydney Opera House (or is it the Seymour Centre) and a gig at the Lizard Lounge aka the Bondi Pavillion. A breakout role for Jo Kennedy, it's still way too underseen but Jinx and Alexei are on a mission to make everyone watch it as many times as they have.

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See Alsos:

• Alexei’s interview with Gillian Armstrong for the Sunburnt Screens podcast
• Jo Kennedy in Tender Hooks (dir. Mary Callaghan, 1989) on YouTube
• The incredible Starstruck costumes at NFSA:
• Kate's Rediscovering Starstruck piece by Kate (as seen on Wikipedia!): https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/aug/01/rediscovering-starstruck-gillian-armstrongs-80s-rock-musical-extravaganza
• The Coca–Cola Kid (dir. Dušan Makavejev, 1985)

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This week on the pod, Brodie discusses the flip flop of the TikTok ban, going to Boiler Room and posting into the void. Kate is going back to her design roots and needs a new spy show. They both remember David Lynch, king of Bob's Big Boy and freaking kids out at a young age. RIP legend.

Then, it's time to check in on what we're reading!

Books we discuss:

• Good Girl by Anna Fitzpatrick
• Narrow Rooms by James Purdy
• You Are Here by David Nicholls
• Woo Woo by Ella Baxter
• Filterworld by Kyle Chayka
• Our Evenings by Alan Hollinghurst

Also Alsos:

• 35 Simple Health Tips Experts Swear By
• Olive Made 'Sunshine' bags
• Living Skin Hydrating Haze & Essential Moisturiser
• For Scale newsletter
• Japanese cotton artist shirt from Caves Collect
• You Are Here by David Nicholls

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There's a lot going on in the world and we're finding it hard to stay upbeat!!!

We're soaking and other people are reading books in the spa. It's so annoying that not drinking makes you feel better? Kate's selling stuff on Depop and Brodie gives a WWHL report.

We debrief on a few films, new and not-so-new: A Different Man, The Brutalist, Lee and Conclave (just a tiny chat – more next time!)

See Alsos

• @merchmotel is documenting all the historic buildings lost in Altadena / the Eaton fire
• Erika Jayne talking about psychological evaluation with Mel from RHONY
• Brady Corbet interview in le Cinéma Club
• An article on Lee Miller's kitchen at Farleys House

Also Alsos

• Donate to Pasadena Humane Society
• X-cetra's 'Summer 2000' 25th anniversary re-release
• Ramona books in Westgarth Village, Northcote
• Masses Bagels' new shop
• Our Friend, Willem film series at Golden Age Cinema
• Pidapipo's monthly special: milk choc with Amarena Jam and choc brownie pieces

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Happy new year! FYI we had a few tech issues that meant some chunks of audio didn't record properly this week, so apologies for the chats that might stop or start suddenly, and also the wacky audio levels. Ghost in the machine!!

This week, Kate and Brodie talk about doing karaoke, should we watch I'm Not There again?, last we saw each other Brodie was going to a hen's do and Kate went to a kick-on at a house owned by someone whose dog is Top Chef's instagram friend (sure!) and to a bar called Disco Pantera, Brodie got a DM NDA for a hot Melbourne cocktail, the dog who works at the Park Hyatt is retiring this month, does Melbourne need more breakfast spots (not cafes!).

We watched a lot of stuff over the break! Kate watched The Lady Vanishes, Brodie's going to the movies again to see A Different Man and Lee, Brodie saw An Unmarried Woman and tries to do the Nosferatu voice (sorry), she's confused the Lighthouse and Swiss Army Man (and also confused that movie's farting corpse with one about a propellor penis WHOOPS sorry don't @ her). They both watched Heretic (Kate's nephew's introduction to Hugh Grant was the Oompa Loompa in Wonka), The Room Next Door, Anora, All We Imagine as Light and Better Man – shockingly we have very different responses to Monkey Robbie Williams. Kate also watched The Lost Daughter finally – the audio of that bit cut out SORRY!! Brodie saw Wicked for a third time (hehe) and Kate's been visiting Somebody Somewhere and loved Bad Sisters season 2 – BL less so. Do not invite us round, Garvey sisters.

Also Alsos

• Marisa Meltzer's newsletter, Soft Power
• Tina Brown's newsletter, Fresh Hell
• Mecca Cosmetica To Save Face SPF 50+
• Alex Goldman's Hyperfixed podcast
• Cunk on Life on Netflix
• Clockwatchers streaming on 7+

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A holiday episode out from behind the paywall while we take a small break – but back next week with a Best of 2024 episode just for the Hogg Hive! Join The Hogg Hive on Patreon for access to all our special episodes.

This week, See Also is wishing you a happy new year – twice! – with the most perfect rom-com to ever exist: When Harry Met Sally. They discuss the two iconic pairings: Nora Ephron and Rob Reiner, Meg Ryan and Billy Crystal. And they dig into the wagon wheel coffee table, Baby Fish-Mouth, “Thin. Pretty. Big tits. Your basic nightmare.”, going on a road trip with a man asking BL for the story of her life, imagine giving a Dorit "carcass out" drink order on a plane, this is in the Drop Dead Fred extended universe, being someone's weekday girlfriend, Harry's from Haddenfield like Michael Meyers, pesto is the quiche of the 80s, the Puck building on Lafayette St, Meg Ryan as queen of the rom-com, “This is a talk piece,” days of the week underpants ARE funny!, Don’t fuck with Mr Zero, a very cold hard mexican ceramic tile, "On the side is a very big thing for you", Princess Diana thinks it's so naughty.

See Also:

• Nora Ephron on Desk Set 
• When Harry Met Sally remembered by Alice 
• Behind the Scenes 
• French Kiss
• Crossing Delancey
• Heartburn
• Postcards from the Edge
• Derek Guy: HOW TO RECREATE EVERY GOOD OUTFIT IN HARRY MET SALLY 🧵
• Carrie Fisher was the Best Part of When Harry Met Sally
• The Meaning of When Harry Met Sally
• When Rob Reiner's Alter Ego Met Nora Ephron's Alter Ego

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To match our recent See Also presents Carol cinema screenings, we've pulled out this classic ep from a few Christmases ago. Join The Hogg Hive on Patreon to hear last week's mini ep and an upcoming Best Of 2024.

For a very special holiday Poodle, Kate is joined by Chelsea Fairless, co-host of Every Outfit for a virtual glove-lunch. Together, they play 1950s and devolve into "dyke debauchery" while discussing our fave and yours: Carol, based on crime novelist Patricia Highsmith’s "The Price of Salt" starring Cate Blanchett and Rooney Mara. They cover the martinis and creamed spinach, Our Cate's voice and her period-inappropriate manicure. Also: Alsos!

See Also:

• The original short story Carol/The Price of Salt is based on
• Screenwriter Phyllis Nagy discussing the way the film finally came together
• Kate McKinnon's Carol parody for the Film Independent Spirit Awards
• King Princess song 1950, inspired by Carol
• Forbidden Love: The Passions behind Patricia Highsmith's "The Price of Salt"
• "Carol" Up Close

Watch Also:

• Tár
• Loving Highsmith (with caveats discussed in the episode)
• Nelly & Nadine
• Word is Out: These are the Stories of Some of our Lives
• The Children's Hour
• The Killing of Sister George
• Desert Hearts
• High Art
• The L Word & The L Word: Generation Q (LOL)

Also Alsos:

Chels recommends: Byredo lipstick in Subtropical, Lana Del Rey - Did you know that there's a tunnel under Ocean Blvd

Jinxy recommends: her Zodiac Club extended playlist on Spotify, Gay Bar: Why We Went Out by Jamie Atherton Lin, Je Tu Il Elle

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A rapid-fire list of reccs from The Age's chief restaurant critic. In this bonus episode, which you can listen to in full when you join The Hogg Hive over on Patreon, Besha shares her spot for a Jinxy-style LDATB (little drink at the bar), tells us about "one of the great, great Melbourne rooms", and tells us about some over- and under-rated restaurants, the meal she wants the second she lands back in Melbourne, and the place she'd suggest for dinner in a famous dead-zone of the CBD.

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• Ad-free versions of every See Also
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This week we're joined by Besha Rodell, the James Beard-winning food writer who filled the shoes of Jonathon Gold at LA Weekly, has told NYT readers how Australians eat, and is currently the chief restaurant critic at The Age and Good Weekend.

She tells Kate and Brodie about being the last remaining anonymous food critic the un-deification of The Chef, her upcoming book, how and why she does her job, and why food isn't the only reason to go to a restaurant.

Join The Hogg Hive on Patreon to hear Besha's rapid-fire reccs in a bonus episode next week!

See Also – Besha's reviews we mention

• We know Ben Shewry doesn’t like the Good Food Guide. And we don’t care
• This Melbourne icon divides food snobs – but our critic keeps going back
• Review: Kisumé in Melbourne, Australia
• Five months after opening, this hyped city restaurant was still empty, and it’s easy to see why

Spots Besha mentioned:

• Vue De Monde
• Jim's Greek Tavern
• Waiter's Club
• Mario's
• Bratwurst Shop & Co.
• France Soir
• Malin

Besha's Also Alsos

• Tzaki Tzaki
• Heartstopper
• Wine growing regions in Great Southern (WA) and Gippsland

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Kate and Brodie talk about Stuff Again, this time the things that tempted them during Black Friday. They discuss the queer dance party of the season – no, not the Troye Sivan show; Kate's partner's birthday party!!!

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We follow the brick road whose shape – but not its colour – is protected by stringent copyright law to Shiz University, where we had a GREAT TIME!!!! And then avoid doing accent work to chat about the brilliant TV adaptation of Patrick Radden Keefe's book, Say Nothing.

Don't forget to grab your tickets to our screening of Carol at Thornbury Picture House on 17 December!

See Alsos

• Wild at Heart (for Laura Palmer Glinda)
• Girl, Interrupted (for Clea Duvall playing a Wizard of Oz obsessive (and pathological liar))
• Return to Oz (based mainly on the book Ozma of Oz)
• Patrick Raddan Keefe's original New Yorker essay
• Kneecap, screening in Aus cinemas now
• The Crying Game
• The Disappeared
• Craic Pack: How the Irish Came to Rule Pop Culture

Also Alsos

• Film Map on Tumblr
• Sweethearts – dir by Jordan Weiss, on Binge
• Fashion Neurosis with Bella Freud
• Good Morning's new album, The Accident
• E Nolan pop–up, Thurs–Sun until 22 Dec – 43 Derby St, Collingwood
• The Season by Helen Garner

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